Rants Mulliniks
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On the upside I thought you can get them back? Not that he should have to, mind you. Dude should get it back for him.
Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96
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This is actually even more impressive for Auston Matthews. That 57 goal pace would place him 2nd in the rocket race, one off Sam Reinhart's current 58 goal pace (who thinks he's keeping that up?)
So, if you only make Auston play good teams and let the rest of the league feast on weaker competition, he's STILL top 2 in the rocket race, only behind the player shooting 27%
There is no one close to this guy
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So is he being dominated by the goalies now?
Maybe the leafs should make a petition that the opponents can only use the likes of Dostal, Ersson, Levi, Vladar, Allen, Gustavsson in the playoffs? (those are the goalies he has scored hat tricks against this season).
All I read from the sane leafs fans is that he has to be better in the playoffs for them to have a chance. BUT if he is already dominating and having a selke level defence I think you guys are good to go.
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He has had good and bad series. Like most things online people take things to extremes and of course when the team doesn't have success....the best player on that team is going to bear the weight of that whether it is fair or not. We do not win that 1st round series without Matthews last year, he straight up took over a couple games in that series and willed us to wins. Doesn't get talked about because we got our doors blown off in the 2nd round....but he still did that. On average I would say depth scoring has been more of an issue then Matthews has been. Will add people do need to take their heads out of the sand in regards to his defensive play...the guy is great defensively. Probably won't win a Selke but still great.
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He’s 40th all time. How is anyone dominating him? He’s managed that against top tier goaltending, not just average. Matthews is far down the list of problems. Yes, we would all love for him to be #1 all time.
His production goes from 1.13 to .88.
Which is not surprising as almost all players drop off as you are not playing the bottom teams.
He still is 12th overall in PPG in the playoffs over the past 5 years, but he needs to go off like Mack or Kuch to help the Leafs go deeper.
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I see comments like this, and I suspect - though I'm happy to let people clarify as needed - it presumes a few things:
1. Goaltending in 2023-24 is vastly better than goaltending in prior years,
2. Goal-scoring ability in 2023-24 is vastly better than goal-scoring ability in prior years,
3. Even guys who were great goal scorers in their era never played against top tier goaltending for that era.
Not saying Matthews performs better vs. top tier goalies than other great players isn't accurate - I have no clue whether it is or not - but for me to buy that claim it needs to be supported with hard data and not just conjecture and feelings.
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Late to join this one. Have we downplayed his accomplishment and started to attack him personally yet?
Rants Mulliniks
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It doesn't presume any of that. Some draws are simply better than others. Not everyone faces that calibre of goalie round after round. The only thing it suggests is he'd probably be even higher up the all time playoff list if he was lucky enough to face some of the lesser goalies. Imagine playing 8 rounds of playoff hockey and drawing a Vezina goalie 7/8 times? Conversely, there are others who have played 9 rounds and only run into a Vezina goalie 1/9 times.
If you are presuming he performs better against top goalies than others, fill your boots and query the data.
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No matter how you try and slice it. It’s really impressive.
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Not sure how to feel? He stole his hat and threw it on the ice. Seems pretty cut and dry.
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I debated whether I wanted to queue up a post about how Matthews is apparently the game's greatest goal-scorer ever - like, evar - until he runs into his playoff krypyonite: a Vezina Trophy winner. And all he needs to be more successful in the playoffs is not raise his game like the all-time great he supposedly is and overcome even one of those Vezina winners: he just needs to play more shitty goalies / goalies who don't play really well for a spurt.
But I have better things to do on a Sunday than kick that hornet's nest. Plus, I think someone already alluded to it earlier.
Me: "If someone wants to claim [item described above], show me the data to prove it."
You: "Oh, you're claiming [item described above]? Why don't you go pull the data."
For all those goals he's scored, his shoes are hideous.
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Rants Mulliniks
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The time you just spent rambling, you could have spent looking at what you want.I debated whether I wanted to queue up a post about how Matthews is apparently the game's greatest goal-scorer ever - like, evar - until he runs into his playoff krypyonite: a Vezina Trophy winner. And all he needs to be more successful in the playoffs is not raise his game like the all-time great he supposedly is and overcome even one of those Vezina winners: he just needs to play more shitty goalies / goalies who don't play really well for a spurt.
But I have better things to do on a Sunday than kick that hornet's nest. Plus, I think someone already alluded to it earlier.
Me: "If someone wants to claim [item described above], show me the data to prove it."
You: "Oh, you're claiming [item described above]? Why don't you go pull the data."
Just for comparison sake:
Kucherov | GP | G | A | Pts |
Playoff Teams | 28 | 25 | 28 | 53 |
Non-Playoff | 27 | 11 | 30 | 41 |
MacKinnon | GP | G | A | Pts |
Playoff Teams | 25 | 12 | 23 | 35 |
Non-Playoff | 30 | 20 | 34 | 51 |
McDavid | GP | G | A | Pts |
Playoff Teams | 24 | 9 | 31 | 40 |
Non-Playoff | 25 | 12 | 29 | 41 |
Lol... What a reach downplaying the quality of goalies he scores hat tricks against when every player in the league faces the same pool of goalies. Why don't other players simply score hat tricks every time they face non-vezina tier goalies? Are they stupid?
Dostal, funny enough, stood on his head with 55 saves last time they saw him. There's rarely a free lunch in the NHL, even less so for the Leafs, who every team and goalie in the league get up for on any random Tuesday in the middle of the season.
Dostal, funny enough, stood on his head with 55 saves last time they saw him. There's rarely a free lunch in the NHL, even less so for the Leafs, who every team and goalie in the league get up for on any random Tuesday in the middle of the season.
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The time you spent writing that post, you could have re-read my post and understood it.
If we're talking about first 50 games of the season then yes, he is the closest since 66 did it. If you're asking about any 50 game span in a season, he has already done that.
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Yeah I mean in the traditional sense. 50 goals in first 50 games.
King of the regular season. Wake me up when they do something in the playoffs.
Oh, and fat guy tossing the hat is a fat asshole.
Oh, and fat guy tossing the hat is a fat asshole.
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I understood it and suspect you won't like some of the results. You'll also have to come to grips with the fact that sometimes the individual performs more than adequately yet team result doesn't happen. Thats doesn't mean there aren't times the individual doesn't perform as desired either.
