Auston Matthew 50 in 50 watch (37 in 42 so far)

[ricky0034]

Not sure if you know this but Goals are way more valuable than assists. Using A1 as being .55 of a goal and A2 being .19 of a goal Matthews has been the best scorer in the league this year. About 7% better than Kuckerov and 38% better than McDavid. Any stat that values a second assist the same as a Goal is extremely flawed.

Matthews is also the best scorer in the league if you use a formula where points by guys that aren't named Matthews are worth .005 of a point by guys named Matthews

has about the same validity as this thing you somehow cooked up where a goal is more than 5 times as valuable as a secondary assist

 

[DFC]

Not sure if you know this but Goals are way more valuable than assists. Using A1 as being .55 of a goal and A2 being .19 of a goal Matthews has been the best scorer in the league this year. About 7% better than Kuckerov and 38% better than McDavid. Any stat that values a second assist the same as a Goal is extremely flawed.

Agreed in general, but they aren't all created equal. The average secondary assist by Kucherov is often a bigger factor in creating the goal than the guy who is in the right place at the right time to score it. Not always the case, but definitely happens with Kucherov more than anyone I've ever seen, where the key play on the goal was the second assist.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not sure if you know this but Goals are way more valuable than assists. Using A1 as being .55 of a goal and A2 being .19 of a goal Matthews has been the best scorer in the league this year. About 7% better than Kuckerov and 38% better than McDavid. Any stat that values a second assist the same as a Goal is extremely flawed.

Should try your hand at politics, after reading this bs.

 

[Incognito]

I guess he might still have a chance at the best goal scorer ever title but he'll have to string together a few Rockets and probably 60 goal seasons to be in the discussion (in addition to the longevity stats). A third Rocket before turning 27 would be vital as goal scorers have historically tended to have peaked by then. Just a single 50 goal season thus far looks really weak comparatively, but should he get 60+ this season that'd fix it up considerably as there's not a single player with two or more 60 goal seasons who didn't play in the 1980s.

Really strong season in terms of goals for him thus far. Just wondering how he's so atrocious as a playmaker.

Sorry, but this is just not a valid point at all. If not for Covid, he would have scored 50+ in 2019-2020 and 60+ in 2020-2021 in addition to the 60 goals he scored in 2021-2022. You can't hold a global pandemic against him.

 

[MCR74]

Sorry, but this is just not a valid point at all. If not for Covid, he would have scored 50+ in 2019-2020 and 60+ in 2020-2021 in addition to the 60 goals he scored in 2021-2022. You can't hold a global pandemic against him.

lt's called "reaching".

 

[Video Nasty]

I have been waiting for someone to start this thread. If he hits 50 in 50 but on his teams 51st game it will be so disappointing.

Still a lot of prestige being on the true unofficial list. It’s been recognized for a long time now (30+ years have passed since 4 of the 5 on that list) and if Matthews were to do it to do it in his team’s 51st game, I think it could possibly be the most impressive amongst those who just missed out on an actual 50 in 50.

I’m glad that scoring is just enough elevated and we have a terrific goal scorer who can use that environment to flirt with such a mark.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

They'll likely build a statue for him.

 

[authentic]

a handful of Ottawa fans were creaming in the Stutzle v Matthews thread when Stutlzle had a few more points than him early on this season...now Matthews has almost as many goals a little Timmy has points and suddenly I don't see that thread get bumped every day anymore.(I like Stu a lot btw).

Little Timmy ain’t got shit on Big Matty

 

[authentic]

Both are over a ppg one is just on a better team

 

[kevsh]

which is why it's extra laughable to claim a Forward is when they can' t even crack the top 10 in that

Ok, so you're just trolling.

Btw, as of tonight he's sitting at 1.37 PPG, tied for 8th best in the league.

So to be clear, if you are actually serious: Does a player have to be in the 10 for total points or does PPG count? What about if a player cracks the top 10 for a few days before dropping out - Was he a top 10 player those few days and then not again?

And to my original point - is points the sole criteria for being a top 10 player, for at least a forward? That's really what you're suggesting?

 

[The90]

Sorry, but this is just not a valid point at all. If not for Covid, he would have scored 50+ in 2019-2020 and 60+ in 2020-2021 in addition to the 60 goals he scored in 2021-2022. You can't hold a global pandemic against him.

 

[ToDavid]

Core 4 razzle dazzle hockey + 60 goal Matthews >> Leafs ever getting past 2nd round in Core 4 era.

Congrats on that 2nd place ribbon. It’s very pretty.

 

[Shagrat59]

Announcer just said "69 multiple goal games"

Very nice!

Hnnnng

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

They'll likely build a statue for him.

Depends how long he plays and the numbers he puts up while on the Leafs, but yeah probably.

Not sure where they put him though.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

drunk uncles on twitter and hfboards are the only ones still trying to diminish Matthews' performance right now... Starting to think it's the same demographic. Certainly the same unhinged rhetoric.

 

[tapi]

Statistically the best goal scorer since Gretzky and Mario tearing it up. Nothing new under the sun

 

[34]

Depends how long he plays and the numbers he puts up while on the Leafs, but yeah probably.

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Not sure where they put him though.

Yes, I definitely see a statue for the greatest goal scorer of all time.

 

[Divine]

lol, that fake tough guy is the number 1 power forward in the league. There aren’t many PF left anymore.

Based on what - him telling the fans to shutup?

Let's be honest, he's not even the best power forward in his family currently playing in the NHL - let alone the league.

 

[BlueBaron]

To be petty and to throw out a desperate cheapshot....he earns his pay for the regular season so they get their moneys worth

Fixed that for you.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Based on what - him telling the fans to shutup?

Let's be honest, he's not even the best power forward in his family currently playing in the NHL - let alone the league.

lol his brother is not a PF in the true sense, he’s more pest than fighter.
Good story though, Merry Christmas

 

[crowfish]

Not sure if you know this but Goals are way more valuable than assists. Using A1 as being .55 of a goal and A2 being .19 of a goal Matthews has been the best scorer in the league this year. About 7% better than Kuckerov and 38% better than McDavid. Any stat that values a second assist the same as a Goal is extremely flawed.

Using your weighting system:

Joe Thornton 2005 (29-96-125) = 72.44
Jonathan Cheechoo 2005 (56-37-93) = 69.75

We can safely conclude that any model that says Cheechoo is 96% of Joe Thornton is a bad model.

 

[Strangle]

He probably would have scored 70 in his 61 goal season if not for missed games.

He would have been pretty close in the Covid shortened season too

If he stays healthy, even for just a few more season, he'll be the best Maple Leafs player ever. His numbers are tracking crazy.

I wonder how he matches to say Mike Bossy?

Bossy shot at about 24% for 99% of his career

Matthew’s is closer to 18% without his injured season last year, and shooting about 20% this year.

Just goes to show how f***ing sick Bossy was

 

[Strangle]

I guess he might still have a chance at the best goal scorer ever title but he'll have to string together a few Rockets and probably 60 goal seasons to be in the discussion (in addition to the longevity stats). A third Rocket before turning 27 would be vital as goal scorers have historically tended to have peaked by then. Just a single 50 goal season thus far looks really weak comparatively, but should he get 60+ this season that'd fix it up considerably as there's not a single player with two or more 60 goal seasons who didn't play in the 1980s.

Really strong season in terms of goals for him thus far. Just wondering how he's so atrocious as a playmaker.

Everyone just looks at the stat line and forgets Matthews 41 goals in 52 games during the Covid shortened season

 

[Channelcat]

If he stays healthy, even for just a few more season, he'll be the best Maple Leafs player ever. His numbers are tracking crazy.

I wonder how he matches to say Mike Bossy?

The bar is low.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

lol his brother is not a PF in the true sense, he’s more pest than fighter.

What does fighting have to do with being a power forward?