Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

[Dreakmur]

Confirming opinions based merely on the presence of opposing positions is pretty interesting, and concerning.

It's just more data.

 

[IPS]

There seems to be a lack of understanding with Dubas/Keefe that the harder you make life for the other team with physical play, chip and chase, cycle game and other annoyances that burn up the clock, the less scoring and active defending you have to do. The more you wear out the opposition in the attrition, the less gas they have for counter attacking, late game rallies and other nonsense that has hurt the Leafs closeout.

Do the hardest work earliest and protect your advantage throughout the game.

You mean kind of what other teams impose on the Leafs?

You'd honestly think they'd look more into the type of game that beats them a lot (by far less talented teams in the playoffs at that) but no.

 

[Antropovsky]

The main issue in that post was that the individual was attempting to speak for an entire group of people, and apply his own personal feelings to them.
But it is also untrue that we are "soft" and "easy to play against". The idea that it's "easy to play against" one of the top teams in the league is laughable.
As for the whole "soft" thing, some people just don't realize or refuse to accept that the game has changed in the last 30 years, and what they're expecting is not a reality for any team.

We are less physical than some teams, because we prioritize positioning and possession, and have the puck more than most teams. We don't try to injure people, and we don't lick people's faces. We don't go out looking to pick fights. But that doesn't make a team "soft". If we are in a rough and tumble type of games, like the Winnipeg game, we can handle things just fine and dish some out ourselves.

Weird post, considering that not only did I answer both posts in question, but I also answered your similar question earlier in the thread (which you actually avoided responding to).

So you think hard to play against means licking faces, picking fights and actions that intend to injure?

Do you think that's just your opinion or generally most others opinions as well?

Seems weird because in 20 years I have only known of one face licking instance and I don't know if any player really had a reputation of intentionally going out to hurt players. If there were it was again a rare occurrence.

It's strange to me that you've used these very rare type of plays or players to describe what hard to play against means. I don't think most means these things you have described.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We are easy to play against. Difficult to outscore. And he was right, you summed it up perfectly.

Your two statements contradict each other. We're not easy to play against, and if you think my description sums it up, that only means that the label is irrelevant and does not represent anything of actual concern.

At $750,000 there was no risk with Perry, there was no downside... It could have been accommodated and we wouldn't have needed Galchenyuk later that season.

You could say that about any number of players across the league. In hindsight, it would have been a good get, but we had already placed our bets on that kind of player months prior to Perry realizing his actual worth, and I'm not sure what it accomplishes to look up all of the best free agent outcomes with hindsight and then get upset that your GM didn't do all of them.

So you think hard to play against means licking faces, picking fights and actions that intend to injure?

No, I don't think that. That's why I said pretty much the exact opposite. Unfortunately, some people do think those type of displays are relevant, as is even seen in the responses to that post.

 

[Stephen]

You mean kind of what other teams impose on the Leafs?

You'd honestly think they'd look more into the type of game that beats them a lot (by far less talented teams in the playoffs at that) but no.

You'd think having played the 2019, 2021 and 2022 cup finalists up close and personal, as well as the 2018 cup winners a year before they won, Dubas and staff would have a notebook full of do's and don't's and modified wish lists for how to get to the championship level.

 

[TheScandal89]

The team has such glarring holes now from poor drafting on Dubas' part. The core we knew was gonna make it difficult to have several mid ranged salary players for depth, so its up to drafting some key role players to keep costs down without sacrificing skill. And we have completely failed to do that. The reason for this is Dubas poor choices of drafting almost exclusively the same type of player.

Yes, you need those smaller, offensive skill guys to win, but you can't win without some kind of players with high drive. The biggest issue I have is, you already had Marner, Nylander and Liljegren. You didn't need Amirov, you needed Guhle or Schneider because you dont have a single defenseman who plays that style and that's why friggin Justin Holl is playing nightly.

The team really needs something big to happen. Muzzin and Murray should be LTIR'd until the playoffs, try to use that cap space better, and pray Knies could make an impact.

 

[Stephen]

Might be close to time to pulling the plug on Dubas given how the Leafs seem to not have any stable part to them. The only real reasons for keeping him is it's an inconvenient time to find a replacement and who will negotiate the Matthews deal.

 

[hotpaws]

Might be close to time to pulling the plug on Dubas given how the Leafs seem to not have any stable part to them. The only real reasons for keeping him is it's an inconvenient time to find a replacement and who will negotiate the Matthews deal.

I'm pretty sure any person who replaces Dubie will be able to slide a blank contract across the table and hope he fills it in and signs .

 

[Dave92]

He'll be remembered as one of the biggest mistakes in the organization's history. Which he is.

 

[TheScandal89]

He'll be remembered as one of the biggest mistakes in the organization's history. Which he is.

He's gonna be the poster boy for not letting people with no experience get big gigs

 

[Stephen]

He's gonna be the poster boy for not letting people with no experience get big gigs

Smartest guy in the league.

 

[Stephen]

Who would have believed that Ilya Samsonov would be the only functional part of the entire Leaf organization at Halloween?

 

[hamzarocks]

If we lose tommorrow we're 4-5-1 with our starting goalie having played 1 game and broken into glass

Our 1B is playing good but he's not a 60 game starter

Our current backup is a starting ECHL goalie

 

[Stephen]

If we lose tommorrow we're 4-5-1 with our starting goalie having played 1 game and broken into glass

Our 1B is playing good but he's not a 60 game starter

Our current backup is a starting ECHL goalie

Feels like it's not any one issue with the roster now, just a raging house fire.

 

[Jozay]

I cant believe in what will probably be his last offseason running the team, his big move was Matt Murray.

Dubas going out sad damn.

 

[The Masters]

Whoever the fk is in charge of the pro scouting department should be fired.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I cant believe in what will probably be his last offseason running the team, his big move was Matt Murray.

Dubas going out sad damn.

But that's why it will be his last season.

The team needed a shakeup. Like, even if you're not trading one of the big 4 move Kerfoot, Holl .. some complimentary guy.

But nothing. Team looks uninspired.

 

[Stephen]

Whoever the fk is in charge of the pro scouting department should be fired.

Fire his boss too.

 

[Aashir]

He gonna be gone

 

[Menzinger]

But that's why it will be his last season.

The team needed a shakeup. Like, even if you're not trading one of the big 4 move Kerfoot, Holl .. some complimentary guy.

But nothing. Team looks uninspired.

It would be an interesting mid season moves - try and find a hockey trade for say each of Holl and Kerfoot. At the very least signals to the core that things can't continue

 

[Stephen]

But that's why it will be his last season.

The team needed a shakeup. Like, even if you're not trading one of the big 4 move Kerfoot, Holl .. some complimentary guy.

But nothing. Team looks uninspired.

He was too scared to make a mistake and couldn't even come up with plausible replacements for Holl and Kerfoot and completely handcuffed the team to cap hell with Murray.

 

[thewave]

I think we need to be the first team to have an AI GM. It's our only hope.

 

[Stephen]

It would be an interesting mid season moves - try and find a hockey trade for say each of Holl and Kerfoot. At the very least signals to the core that things can't continue

I think a real message would be a hockey trade at the Rielly, Nylander level. Rielly is quietly a defensive tire fire who doesn't seem capable of providing the transition game for the offense...

But I don't think we need to send messages. Just take a step back and retool the organization on more foundational principles. We've reached a dead end.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I think we need to be the first team to have an AI GM. It's our only hope.

Let’s call it Skynet

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think a real message would be a hockey trade at the Rielly, Nylander level. Rielly is quietly a defensive tire fire who doesn't seem capable of providing the transition game for the offense...

But I don't think we need to send messages. Just take a step back and retool the organization on more foundational principles. We've reached a dead end.

I've been pro-retool for awhile now. Enough quality talent that a total tear down isn't required.

And with some nice prospects/youngsters in the mix, they just need to redefine their team philosophy and go from there.