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ATD 2022 DRAFT THREAD I
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Dreakmur
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Well,
I was seriously considering him at 10 based on the overall body of work, more recent Cup win and Smythe, position, and his ridiculous first half on 2022 (at age 36) has really impressed me on numerous fronts, even as an avid Penguins fan and Capitals detractor. You can't argue he's at least strongly in consideration for the all time best goal scorer title and the title/Smythe really helped ease some of the playoff hesitations. He'll form an absolutely lethal combination on the PP with Potvin and brings yet another extremely physical body to the Three Rivers HC. I feel like this is great value given he's at worst marginally behind Hull all time, and Hull went inside the top 10.
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Alexander Ovechkin, LW/RW
Love the pick.
He’s probably a better goal scorer than Hull, but Hull played a bigger part in creating the chances he got.
Professor What
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VanIslander
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A steal?
Are you gonna take him before Roy, Hasek, Messier... at wing... before Rocket Richard? Bobby Hull?
Stop.
A decent pick. Two more worthy to come. Let's be real.
Are you gonna take him before Roy, Hasek, Messier... at wing... before Rocket Richard? Bobby Hull?
Stop.
A decent pick. Two more worthy to come. Let's be real.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
Agree on this part completely. Hull was a more dynamic all around player offensively in that the goals he scored were more about him than facilitators. I do have Ovechkin, at this point, as the best goal scorer ever, in large part because he's still scoring at an elite rate at 36. The longevity at the NHL level is simply unmatched by anyone. If Hull had remained in the NHL throughout his 30's maybe I'd feel different. I still have Hull as a touch better player in an all time sense though the gap has narrowed considerably since the cup win for AO.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
Just his opinion sir. We're all good here
To answer questions you pose from my POV.
Yes, yes, and yes. Why? Because of his position especially relative to C. I love Messier and Roy especially but taking either of them over AO in this setting, especially at 18 teams, is IMO, not the smart play mathematically speaking. Do I think that Roy certainly, and possibly Hasek are better players ever than AO? Sure. But that doesn't mean they should simply be drafted before Ovechkin in a draft setting like ours. I do not think Messier is the better player at this point relative to AO though, though it's close. Again, just my .02
I'd still take Richard/Hull over AO and that's what happened here. 11th and 8th vs 21st. Do I think the gap is THAT great though? No.
The Macho King
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I feel like players in this range are so close together qualitatively, that unless one of the foundational players drops, there's no such thing as a "steal" at this point in the draft. It's more of - who do you want to build around, because all these players are good enough to build around.
Some are more difficult than others, though. One of the knocks on building around Ovi is you really only fill one possible role on his line - goalscorer. You're going to need a playmaker and you're going to need a mucker - whereas some of the other players in this range can fill multiple roles. That being said, the role he fills he fills better than anyone else, which makes him very worthy of being in this range. And positional scarcity definitely can be a plus on his value.
Some are more difficult than others, though. One of the knocks on building around Ovi is you really only fill one possible role on his line - goalscorer. You're going to need a playmaker and you're going to need a mucker - whereas some of the other players in this range can fill multiple roles. That being said, the role he fills he fills better than anyone else, which makes him very worthy of being in this range. And positional scarcity definitely can be a plus on his value.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
Well stated. It's hard to go wrong in this range unless you go way off the reservation.
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The ATD is like chess. You can't win it with your first few opening moves. But you can definitely lose it.
Sturminator
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Does Hull's constant carrying of his lines (not to mention the puck) make him more difficult to build around? In an 18 team draft with trades, there are ample opportunities to secure appropriate linemates for Hull, I suppose, whether or not he's the tougher build.
tabness
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Well didn't expect it to happen but it would have been nice to get Robinson with Chelios.
No biggie though, I'll take the guy who at his best simply just competes with himself and the memories of Orr, the great Paul Coffey. His compliment will of course be the nasty Chris Chelios
No biggie though, I'll take the guy who at his best simply just competes with himself and the memories of Orr, the great Paul Coffey. His compliment will of course be the nasty Chris Chelios
The Macho King
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I figured you were taking Coffey. Did not see Chelios coming. IDK if Chelios is the *right* partner for Coffey, since what we think of as prime Chelios liked the puck on his stick as well, but you got probably the top two D on the board (although I'm using the term D loosely in regards to Coffey).
ImporterExporter
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VanIslander
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Checkmate in 2 moves is possible.
It takes a fool.
I have won chess championships in grade 3 (wiped all grade 6ers), won town, region and province in grade 4, went to York, Ontario where i was 11th of 12th in the room, deservedly.
Beat all in my middle and high school.
Beat the uni champ in 10 minutes flat.
Beat the Jeju champ.
Is there a Seoul chess champ?
All that said,... i get my *** handed to me regularly when i go online. There are THOUSANDS & thousands better than me. I haven't met any of them. But they kick my butt online repeatedly.
It takes a fool.
I have won chess championships in grade 3 (wiped all grade 6ers), won town, region and province in grade 4, went to York, Ontario where i was 11th of 12th in the room, deservedly.
Beat all in my middle and high school.
Beat the uni champ in 10 minutes flat.
Beat the Jeju champ.
Is there a Seoul chess champ?
All that said,... i get my *** handed to me regularly when i go online. There are THOUSANDS & thousands better than me. I haven't met any of them. But they kick my butt online repeatedly.
tony d
New poll series coming from me in June
The Macho King
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11 of the first 23 picks were defensemen.
10 forwards.
2 goaltenders.
Wonder if the run on D continues.
10 forwards.
2 goaltenders.
Wonder if the run on D continues.
ResilientBeast
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You're really mellowed out on your hatred of Paul Coffey
BenchBrawl
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Sturminator
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Ah...Paul Coffey. I'm not sure there's a player in hockey history who's been done dirtier by the ATD than Paul Coffey. I guess part of it is the impossibility of re-creating the system under which Coffey thrived (both the team and the era play into this), and another part is his frequent defensive indifference during the regular season (though his reliability in the playoffs is generally given short shrift). I'd like to see Coffey succeed more in this format, but the ATD playoffs often come down to the teams with the fewest weaknesses (not so unlike real hockey) whereas building a team around Coffey requires you to straight-up outscore opponents. This is a difficult proposition given the rosters. Here's hoping the smaller format favors Coffey's owner.
The Macho King
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Being a parent and getting older sands off some rough edges.
VanIslander
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There is a stat for how much a player contributes to wins.
Is there a stat of how prolific a scorer a guy is who makes no damn difference. The Coffey Cup.
Is there a stat of how prolific a scorer a guy is who makes no damn difference. The Coffey Cup.
tabness
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Last year I said I wanted to create a defensive team with Coffey as the X factor, then I took two offensive forwards lol
This year we are on track with the plan
This year we are on track with the plan
The Macho King
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I think it's easier to build around two D as a foundation than two forwards. The drop from the top echelon to the next group can be tough.
ResilientBeast
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Especially when we get to @rmartin65 and I's next pick where we copy @ImporterExporter and sweep the rest of the D off the board
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
That was my favorite build to date. I wasn't sure how well the F group would shake out going 3D to start (wanted to try something off the beaten path for once), but due to some timely trades and a little good fortune with players falling a bit, turned out a bit better than I expected. Fun draft, other than getting hit with covid in the middle of the playoffs lol.
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