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ATD 2021 Draft Thread III

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BenchBrawl said:
The top teams of the 1970s were still better.
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That may be so, but boy was it ever top heavy. Think about how bad the teams at the bottom were (1974-75 Capitals in mind, obviously). I'll take the late 70s Habs dynasty over any in history, but I'll still take the 80s for overall level of play. But things had to come up from the mid 70s. I don't think any sport has ever strained the talent pool that badly, but in the long run, it was probably a good thing. More roster spots has meant more quality players as a whole.
 
BenchBrawl said:
I mean how low can you rank him? Dude was a mutant.
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Because I don't rank him as high as the players I listed? They were all absolute beasts too. Depending on what day you ask me, his ranking can vary a little, but he still hovers around the end of the top 10. It's not like I'm ranking him 20th or anything.
 
Professor What said:
That may be so, but boy was it ever top heavy. Think about how bad the teams at the bottom were (1974-75 Capitals in mind, obviously). I'll take the late 70s Habs dynasty over any in history, but I'll still take the 80s for overall level of play. But things had to come up from the mid 70s. I don't think any sport has ever strained the talent pool that badly, but in the long run, it was probably a good thing. More roster spots has meant more quality players as a whole.
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The goaltending was also mediocre in the early-1980s, which just added to the goalfest.
 
Professor What said:
Because I don't rank him as high as the players I listed? They were all absolute beasts too. Depending on what day you ask me, his ranking can vary a little, but he still hovers around the end of the top 10. It's not like I'm ranking him 20th or anything.
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Oh ok, I misunderstood you. I just thought a Top 10 player would deserve mention, especially since it was his decade.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
The goaltending was also mediocre in the early-1980s, which just added to the goalfest.
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I agree with that, and I think that was the last position to catch up. I mean, you're not far from the time that a #1 goalie played almost all of the games and there were very few roster spots for a goalie. Compound the number of teams and the additional expectations of a #2, and I think that was inevitable. That was a perfect storm, but in a bad way.
 
ImporterExporter said:
Via proxy,

MadA will select:

Brad McCrimmon, D

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Thanks for making the pick. Yet another of my favourite D-men that I tend to miss out on. Also, a true Whaler:
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New York will finish our top 4 D with another big player, captain of the Silver Seven,

Harvey Pulford, D

@Voight is on the clock
 
ChiTownPhilly said:
I hope that @Johnny Engine & @ResilientBeast are in a position to step up BIG TIME today!! You've pitched a solid eight innings here, IE- I hope we can turn to our relief-aces to help get us through this day(!)

This morning is an illustration of "one just never knows with the ATD!" 3 picks between around 3:30am & 6am EST puts @TheDevilMadeMe on-the-clock when he wakes up. I'm not sure even anyone as experienced as he would have expected that!

MadArchand: nice pick with Lehtinen. Would have been very thematic with MY team. That said, I felt pretty strongly he was one of the stars I was saying farewell to when I picked Ragulin.
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Thanks for the virtual high five CTP! I'll be around through at least the morning rush but one way or another I'm getting a nap in here around 10/11 am.

On the bright side, this is going to be a really nice pay week...
 
I'll pick a guy I really do think was probably as good as Lester Patrick (but there sadly were no regular all-star teams in the NHA, so there is a more uncertainty with Ross).

Art Ross, D

Ross's star power was immense in his day. A few highlights from jarek's bio that I will be updating:
  • Multiple press clippings referred to him as the best defenseman in hockey
  • The comtemporary press compared him in quality to the late Hod Stuart and also to Lester Patrick
  • Tied with Patrick for the last "3rd Team" spot on the 1926 MacLean's All-Time All-Star list
  • Never backed down from a fight
  • A rushing dman who was also called strong defensively
  • Called the "smartest" player in the game
  • Invented "kitty-bar-the-door," while still a player. As far as I know, this is the earliest version of what we would now call a trapping defensive system.
ATD 2017 Bios
 
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TheDevilMadeMe said:
I'll pick a guy I really do think was probably as good as Lester Patrick (but there sadly were no regular all-star teams in the NHA, so there is a more uncertainty with Ross).

Art Ross, D

Ross's star power was immense in his day. A few highlights from jarek's bio that I will be updating:
  • Multiple press clippings referred to him as the best defenseman in hockey
  • The comtemporary press compared him in quality to the late Hod Stuart and also to Lester Patrick
  • Never backed down from a fight
  • A rushing dman who was also called strong defensively
  • Called the "smartest" player in the game
  • Invented "kitty-bar-the-door," while still a player. As far as I know, this is the earliest version of what we would now call a trapping defensive system.
ATD 2017 Bios
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Had he fallen like he did last year I was ready to grab him.
 
Guy Carbonneau

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3x Cup, 3x Selke, HHOF

Greatest Hockey Legends said: ​
Guy Carbonneau became the standard of defensive excellence in the post Bob Gainey/xxx era. The premier defensive shadow in the age of high scoring stars such as Gretzky, Yzerman and Lemieux, Carbonneau was a masterful face-off specialist and a superb shot blocker. And he excelled while his team was shorthanded. An incredible penalty killer, Carbonneau was always out against the other team's power plays, especially in the dreaded 5-on-3 penalty kills.

While he was not in the same class as the superstars of his era, Guy Carbonneau will always be mentioned in the same sentence as the Gretzkys, Lemieuxs, Yzermans and Hulls - as the man who shut them down.​
  • 3 time Stanley Cup winner (1986, 1993, 1999)
  • 3 time Selke winner (1988, 1989, 1992)
  • Captain of the Montreal Canadiens from 1989-90 to 1993-94
  • Selke record by year: 5th (1985), 3rd (1986), 2nd (1987), 1st (1988), 1st (1989), 2nd (1990), 4th (1991), 1st (1992), 4th (1994), 9th (2000)
  • Carbonneau's knee problems, which caused him to miss 21 games in 1992-93, prevented him from 10 consecutive top 5 finishes in Selke voting. But later that year, he would have the most impactful playoffs of his career.
Short handed goals:
  • Top 10 in short handed goals three times: 2, 3, 7
  • 14th all time in career regular season short handed goals
 
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tinyzombies said:
Guy Carbonneau

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3x Cup, 3x Selke, HHOF

Greatest Hockey Legends said: ​
Guy Carbonneau became the standard of defensive excellence in the post Bob Gainey/Doug Jarvis era. The premier defensive shadow in the age of high scoring stars such as Gretzky, Yzerman and Lemieux, Carbonneau was a masterful face-off specialist and a superb shot blocker. And he excelled while his team was shorthanded. An incredible penalty killer, Carbonneau was always out against the other team's power plays, especially in the dreaded 5-on-3 penalty kills.

While he was not in the same class as the superstars of his era, Guy Carbonneau will always be mentioned in the same sentence as the Gretzkys, Lemieuxs, Yzermans and Hulls - as the man who shut them down.​
  • 3 time Stanley Cup winner (1986, 1993, 1999)
  • 3 time Selke winner (1988, 1989, 1992)
  • Captain of the Montreal Canadiens from 1989-90 to 1993-94
  • Selke record by year: 5th (1985), 3rd (1986), 2nd (1987), 1st (1988), 1st (1989), 2nd (1990), 4th (1991), 1st (1992), 4th (1994), 9th (2000)
  • Carbonneau's knee problems, which caused him to miss 21 games in 1992-93, prevented him from 10 consecutive top 5 finishes in Selke voting. But later that year, he would have the most impactful playoffs of his career.
Short handed goals:
  • Top 10 in short handed goals three times: 2, 3, 7
  • 14th all time in career regular season short handed goals
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The last of the 5 players with a case for "best defensive forward ever" - Nighbor, Clarke, Gainey, Carbonneau, Bergeron.

He rightly goes last among them because he is worse offensively than any of them except maybe Gainey, who is a wing.
 
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TheDevilMadeMe said:
The last of the 5 players with a case for "best defensive forward ever" - Nighbor, Clarke, Gainey, Carbonneau, Bergeron.

He rightly goes last among them because he is worse offensively than any of them except maybe Gainey, who is a wing.
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I was tortured deciding between Ross and Carbo, but you made my decision for me. I was leaning Carbo anyway because Mario is in my division.
 
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Professor What said:
I'm going to pick up a guy who was known for his individualistic streak, yet still played well within the very team-oriented shell of the Soviet National Team, the greatest player to ever come out of the tiny nation of Latvia: Helmuts Balderis!

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And he was the third guy I was thinking about lol. I remember watching him as a kid and thinking 'who the h is THIS guy?' Vastly underrated imo. No way his height/weight measurements are right- must be an old nemesis who submitted them to some tourney..
 
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tinyzombies said:
And he was the third guy I was thinking about lol. I remember watching him as a kid and thinking 'who the h is THIS guy?'
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I've had my eye on him for a long time, and I wasn't sure if he'd make it to me or not. Now that you said that, I feel like I got lucky and dodged a bullet. Lol
 
Professor What said:
I've had my eye on him for a long time, and I wasn't sure if he'd make it to me or not. Now that you said that, I feel like I got lucky and dodged a bullet. Lol
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He has question marks in his record, but if you just look at him on video you can see he's a stud. No question marks for me. Got screwed over by the Soviet system. He later admitted that it helped him as a player, but he might have had a gun to his head when he said those words..
 
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