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Ice Rays will pick LW #23 Bob Gainey
 
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BenchBrawl said:
Would you play Brett Hull with Henri? I mean, it's ackward, but Hull did succeed with Modano so who knows.
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Johnny Engine said:
Seems like he could effective trailing on the rush, no?

Oates wasn't fast, but it's not like a guy like Richard is going to get up there so fast that he has to dangle around for ten seconds before Dye catches up.

Anyway, doesn't matter to me, since I was first and foremost looking for an outside shot to play the power play on Malkin's opposite side, and my second line is now just him and Frank Foyston, who's the black T-shirt of ATD second lines. So I've got plenty of time to find the right centre for him.
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I went back and forth on it, he would’ve been great to capitalize on turnovers caused by Richard and Benn’s forechecking, but I worried about his effectiveness on neutral zone or D-zone turnovers because my division has a lot of speed. Pretty sure I would’ve taken him here.
 
Hawkey Town 18 said:
I went back and forth on it, he would’ve been great to capitalize on turnovers caused by Richard and Benn’s forechecking, but I worried about his effectiveness on neutral zone or D-zone turnovers because my division has a lot of speed. Pretty sure I would’ve taken him here.
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With the speedy LW-C combos in your division, still shocked you didn't take me up on my offer.

It all turned out for the best.
 
So about Claude Giroux, since he's now on Montreal: He was a perfect match for my needs.
  • RHS borderline elite faceoff guy
  • Great on the left board on the PP
  • Feisty 3rd line winger
With Schmidt and Ullman in the bag, I had a problem: Both are left-handed. I needed at least one guy on my team who can take faceoffs and is right-handed. Giroux is that man. Bonus: He can play wing in that shift, so I can put him out there with Schmidt or Ullman for a crucial faceoffs if needed.

My powerplay had a big hole on the left side; Giroux was tailor-made for the job. A lot of his value is on the PP and he'll be on the 1st unit with Montreal.
 
BenchBrawl said:
So about Claude Giroux, since he's now on Montreal: He was a perfect match for my needs.
  • RHS borderline elite faceoff guy
  • Great on the left board on the PP
  • Feisty 3rd line winger
With Schmidt and Ullman in the bag, I had a problem: Both are left-handed. I needed at least one guy on my team who can take faceoffs and is right-handed. Giroux is that man. Bonus: He can play wing in that shift, so I can put him out there with Schmidt or Ullman for a crucial faceoffs if needed.

My powerplay had a big hole on the left side; Giroux was tailor-made for the job. A lot of his value is on the PP and he'll be on the 1st unit with Montreal.
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Giroux is a power-play moster.

I took him specifically to over-power my PP, but the fit just didn't seem right once I tried to assemble the unit as a whole.

Surprising how long he's been the captain in Philly.
 
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Dreakmur said:
I looked at him when I took Bill White. If not for Stapleton, I probably take Pietranglo. He's in that same tier. Excellent PKer and even strength point producer.
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Hasn't his PK time actually gone down recently though? I seem to recall checking it but maybe that was someone else.
 
I'll take a guy that's been described as "known for his relentless defence and blinding speed during an eleven-year career in the NHL. He was rough for a little guy, a good defensive winger and accurate playmaker, and considered the fastest skater in the NHL in his day with his trademark short, mincing steps."

Welcome to Portland, Herbie Lewis (LW)!
 
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BraveCanadian said:
He deserved another boost.. I just wish you had waited another round :P
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I had originally thought it might be a tad bit early but considering the other options still on the board I think Pietrangelo absolutely deserves his place at this spot. He’s also possibly the best penalty killing defenseman of his generation. Captained his team to a Stanley Cup. Reliable career both offensively and defensively.

I wasn’t sure if he would still be there at 255. Possibly, but I wanted him.
 
Habsfan18 said:
I had originally thought it might be a tad bit early but considering the other options still on the board I think Pietrangelo absolutely deserves his place at this spot. He’s also possibly the best penalty killing defenseman of his generation. Captained his team to a Stanley Cup. Reliable career both offensively and defensively.

I wasn’t sure if he would still be there at 255. Possibly, but I wanted him.
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I think it is easy to justify him in this range somewhere. I probably would have taken him my next pick if you hadn't. So, I hate you. I swear I've been in reactive mode this whole draft! I'm not sure if a single pick I planned on taking has made it to me. :P


Dreakmur said:
Yeah, but still, 9 years on a first PK unit, 6 of them as the #1.
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True but he's adding some accolades without that aspect so much now. But yeah he's proven it.
 
Pittsburgh is thrilled to see this player here for a couple of reasons.

One, he's a tremendous 2 way force, which is something I generally try and find in at least 1 of the 2 scoring line F's.

Two, his postseason record is incredible for a secondary piece of a real life dynasty. He won a SC in 1968 as a 22 year old young pup and put up 13 points in 13 games. His last year in the league? 78-79 he led the entire playoffs in scoring with 23 points in 16 games, also scoring a playoff high 11 goals. Overall he won 8 Cups as a player, scored 139 points in 145 games.

Lastly, he happened to have his most productive offensive seasons centering the current RW'er of the Pitt AC, Yvan Cournoyer (see below for sources). He was great in the dot, strong defensively, possessed elite strength pound for pound and had a shot that was often ranked just behind Bobby Hull's.

Pittsburgh is thrilled to welcome:


Jacques Lemaire, C

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Some factual posts on Lemaire/Cournoyer by someone who watched their entire careers firsthand. Note they had their best offensive seasons together, including the 72-73 campaign which saw the Habs win the title and Cournoyer take home the the Smythe

Round 2, Vote 15 (HOH Top Centers)

Round 2, Vote 14 (HOH Top Centers)

Which Center Was better overall?

Canadiens1958 said:
If we compare Lemaire's regular season numbers:

Last four seasons with Guy Lafleur playing time 262 games = 279 points.

Previous four seasons without Lafleur playing time 300 games = 335 points.

So how did playing with Guy Lafleur help Jacques Lemaire? It did not.
With Lafleur ~ 1.06 PPG without Lafleur ~ 1.12PPG. Main reasons playing with Lafleur and xxxxxxx, Lemaire had greater defensive responsibilities and his lethal slapshot was neutralized since he was the first back forward.

Hopefully after this post the nonsense about Lafleur helping Lemaire offensively stops. Fact is that the opposite is true. Lafleur's four best offensive seasons happened when Jacques Lemaire was part of the linemate mix.
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Canadiens1958 said:
Jacques Lemaire offensively had two 90+ point seasons - 1972-73 and 1974-75 centering lines without Lafleur. Yvan Cournoyer was his main RW
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ImporterExporter said:
Pittsburgh is thrilled to see this player here for a couple of reasons.

One, he's a tremendous 2 way force, which is something I generally try and find in at least 1 of the 2 scoring line F's.

Two, his postseason record is incredible for a secondary piece of a real life dynasty. He won a SC in 1968 as a 22 year old young pup and put up 13 points in 13 games. His last year in the league? 78-79 he led the entire playoffs in scoring with 23 points in 16 games, also scoring a playoff high 11 goals. Overall he won 8 Cups as a player, scored 139 points in 145 games.

Lastly, he happened to have his most productive offensive seasons centering the current RW'er of the Pitt AC, Yvan Cournoyer (see below for sources). He was great in the dot, strong defensively, possessed elite strength pound for pound and had a shot that was often ranked just behind Bobby Hull's.

Pittsburgh is thrilled to welcome:


Jacques Lemaire, C

510MENu-WfL._AC_SY445_.jpg



Some factual posts on Lemaire/Cournoyer by someone who watched their entire careers firsthand. Note they had their best offensive seasons together, including the 72-73 campaign which saw the Habs win the title and Cournoyer take home the the Smythe

Round 2, Vote 15 (HOH Top Centers)

Round 2, Vote 14 (HOH Top Centers)

Which Center Was better overall?

Canadiens1958 said:


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Great move IE. He and Cournoyer gives you a top notch 2nd line duo.

So high I think of Lemaire I was considering splitting Hull and Schmidt and just play Hull with him, since Lemaire was the expert at adapting to his wingers.
 
Selfish Man said:
I'll take a guy that's been described as "known for his relentless defence and blinding speed during an eleven-year career in the NHL. He was rough for a little guy, a good defensive winger and accurate playmaker, and considered the fastest skater in the NHL in his day with his trademark short, mincing steps."

Welcome to Portland, Herbie Lewis (LW)!
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Really like this pick to play with Sakic. Now only weakness of the line is that both are soft and small. Get that big physical RWer and you'll be in business !
 
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Thanks fellas.

Yeah, the reunion is a nice bonus certainly. Lemaire does exactly what I want on this squad, and those 2 together are lethal playoff combination and I was stoked to see how well they played on the same line during multiple regular seasons.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
Really like this pick to play with Sakic. Now only weakness of the line is that both are soft and small. Get that big physical RWer and you'll be in business !
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Thanks! I was nervous as hell that he wouldn't make it to me because a couple of gms with just one LW were picking before me and at least one of them has drafted him before. He was pretty much my only choice left for Sakic's left side... at least the only choice that I was comfortable picking any time soon.
 
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The Jackals select 7-time Soviet all-star defenseman Vladimir Lutchenko.


one of the best defensive players in the history of Soviet hockey... notorious for his steady performance and unprecedented consistency throughout his career in hockey... Although he had a powerful slapshot, his strongest part was his performance in defense.
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