ATD 2021 Draft Thread III

[BenchBrawl]

Bench Brawl takes two-way winger

Woody Dumart, LW

Thank you for making my other pick. I wanted Northcott (as usual), mostly because it's kind of ackward to have both Dumart and Schmidt on the same team and NOT play them together, but this is the situation I found myself into.

Dumart was a physical two-way LWer, solid defensively and can contribute offensive more than Northcott anyway. Less aggressive than Baldy though.

He should fit well with Norm Ullman and Patrick Kane.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Thank you for making my other pick. I wanted Northcott (as usual), mostly because it's kind of ackward to have both Dumart and Schmidt on the same team and NOT play them together, but this is the situation I found myself into.

Dumart was a physical two-way LWer, solid defensively and can contribute offensive more than Northcott anyway. Less aggressive than Baldy though.

He should fit well with Norm Ullman and Patrick Kane.

In the 2-per-decade draft I had a Lindsay-Clarke-Howe first line and Abel as my 3LW. Made sense for roster construction, and it's nice to be able to say "coach can play these guys together for a shakeup". It's not like your roster loses anything by having him there.

 

[nabby12]

Thank you for making my other pick. I wanted Northcott (as usual), mostly because it's kind of ackward to have both Dumart and Schmidt on the same team and NOT play them together, but this is the situation I found myself into.

Dumart was a physical two-way LWer, solid defensively and can contribute offensive more than Northcott anyway. Less aggressive than Baldy though.

He should fit well with Norm Ullman and Patrick Kane.

I was also eyeing Baldy Northcott. I got to interview his daughter before she passed last year about her dad. It made for a very, very informative chapter about Northcott in my new book Manitoba Hockey: An Oral History.

Shortly before she passed, she gave me her father's hockey scrapbook which included many photos and newspaper clippings about Baldy's Maroons days. The highlight being these two photos that I had done up in a beautiful frame with a replica Maroons 1935 Cup Ring.

The bottom photo is signed by 8 members of the Maroons 1935 Cup team including Baldy, Lionel Conacher and Tommy Gorman.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Northcott is both elite physically and defensively, as well as leading the Maroons in goalscoring in their SC championship. His offense does kind of suck, but he's perfect to play with offense-only guys.

 

[tinyzombies]

Jean Ratelle


Awards and Achievements:
Summit Series Champion (1972)

Lester B. Pearson Award (1972)
2 x Lady Byng Trophy (1972, 1976)

Second Team All-Star (1972)

Hart voting - 4th(1972), 6th(1976), 8th(1977), 9th(1968)
Lady Byng voting - 1st(1972), 1st(1976), 2nd(1973), 2nd(1977), 3rd(1971), 3rd(1978), 4th(1968), 5th(1969), 5th(1970)

All-Star voting - 2nd(1972), 4th(1968), 5th(1973), 5th(1976), 6th(1969), 6th(1977), 6th(1979), 7th(1970), 9th(1971)

Offensive Accomplishments:
Points - 3rd(1972), 4th(1968), 6th(1970), 6th(1973), 6th(1976), 7th(1977), 10th(1969), 12th(1975), 14th(1978), 15th(1971), 18th(1966)
Goals - 5th(1972), 6th(1973), 7th(1968), 11th(1970), 13th(1969), 15th(1977), 16th(1975), 17th(1976)
Assists - 3rd(1972), 3rd(1976), 5th(1968), 7th(1977), 9th(1978), 10th(1970), 11th(1969), 12th(1973), 14th(1971), 15th(1975), 19th(1966)

Play-off Points - 4th(1976), 5th(1977), 7th(1979)
Play-off Goals - 2nd(1976), 4th(1979), 9th(1977)
Play-off Assists - 3rd(1977), 7th(1976), 9th(1971)


5-Year Peak:
8th in Points, 82% of 2nd place Marcel Dionne
5th in Assists, 79% of 2nd place Guy Lafleur

4th in Play-off Points, 84% of 2nd place Jacques Lemaire
5th in Play-off Goals, 63% of 2nd place Reggie Leach
6th in Play-off Assists, 88% of 2nd place Larry Robinson

10-Year Peak:
3rd in Points, 99% of 2nd place Bobby Clarke
4th in Goals, 93% of 2nd place Guy Lafleur
4th in Assists, 90% of 2nd place Phil Esposito

4th in Play-off Points, 78% of 2nd place Jacques Lemaire
10th in Play-off Goals, 62% of 2nd place Jacques Lemaire
4th in Play-off Assists, 91% of 2nd place Guy Lafleur


Scoring Percentages:
Points - 100(1972), 93(1968), 90(1973), 90(1977), 88(1976), 86(1970), 80(1971), 77(1978), 75(1975), 74(1974), 73(1969), 62(1979), 61(1965), 61(1980)

Best 6 Seasons: 547

1974 Coaches' Poll:
5th Best Playmaker

1979 Coaches' Poll:
3rd Smartest Player



1974 Coaches' Poll: 5th Best Playmaker; 3rd smartest player; consistent; exact shooter; great hands; crisp wrister and backhand; hard worker; happily resigned himself to a checking role in the Summit Series; "great positional player" - Gregg Shepphard; "excellent defensive player" - Sinden. According to Cherry was overused in NYR and, "in Boston: average more than a point a game in the playoffs." Arbour: "Playing against him was like playing a chess game. " "Offensively and defensively, he might have been the best guy when you put both sides of the puck together." - Park​

 

[nabby12]

Montreal Maroons select Frank Fredrickson.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Jean Ratelle


Awards and Achievements:
Summit Series Champion (1972)

Lester B. Pearson Award (1972)
2 x Lady Byng Trophy (1972, 1976)

Second Team All-Star (1972)

Hart voting - 4th(1972), 6th(1976), 8th(1977), 9th(1968)
Lady Byng voting - 1st(1972), 1st(1976), 2nd(1973), 2nd(1977), 3rd(1971), 3rd(1978), 4th(1968), 5th(1969), 5th(1970)

All-Star voting - 2nd(1972), 4th(1968), 5th(1973), 5th(1976), 6th(1969), 6th(1977), 6th(1979), 7th(1970), 9th(1971)

Offensive Accomplishments:
Points - 3rd(1972), 4th(1968), 6th(1970), 6th(1973), 6th(1976), 7th(1977), 10th(1969), 12th(1975), 14th(1978), 15th(1971), 18th(1966)
Goals - 5th(1972), 6th(1973), 7th(1968), 11th(1970), 13th(1969), 15th(1977), 16th(1975), 17th(1976)
Assists - 3rd(1972), 3rd(1976), 5th(1968), 7th(1977), 9th(1978), 10th(1970), 11th(1969), 12th(1973), 14th(1971), 15th(1975), 19th(1966)

Play-off Points - 4th(1976), 5th(1977), 7th(1979)
Play-off Goals - 2nd(1976), 4th(1979), 9th(1977)
Play-off Assists - 3rd(1977), 7th(1976), 9th(1971)


5-Year Peak:
8th in Points, 82% of 2nd place Marcel Dionne
5th in Assists, 79% of 2nd place Guy Lafleur

4th in Play-off Points, 84% of 2nd place Jacques Lemaire
5th in Play-off Goals, 63% of 2nd place Reggie Leach
6th in Play-off Assists, 88% of 2nd place Larry Robinson

10-Year Peak:
3rd in Points, 99% of 2nd place Bobby Clarke
4th in Goals, 93% of 2nd place Guy Lafleur
4th in Assists, 90% of 2nd place Phil Esposito

4th in Play-off Points, 78% of 2nd place Jacques Lemaire
10th in Play-off Goals, 62% of 2nd place Jacques Lemaire
4th in Play-off Assists, 91% of 2nd place Guy Lafleur


Scoring Percentages:
Points - 100(1972), 93(1968), 90(1973), 90(1977), 88(1976), 86(1970), 80(1971), 77(1978), 75(1975), 74(1974), 73(1969), 62(1979), 61(1965), 61(1980)

Best 6 Seasons: 547

1974 Coaches' Poll:
5th Best Playmaker

1979 Coaches' Poll:
3rd Smartest Player



1974 Coaches' Poll: 5th Best Playmaker; 3rd smartest player; consistent; exact shooter; great hands; crisp wrister and backhand; hard worker; happily resigned himself to a checking role in the Summit Series; "great positional player" - Gregg Shepphard; "excellent defensive player" - Sinden. According to Cherry was overused in NYR and, "in Boston: average more than a point a game in the playoffs." Arbour: "Playing against him was like playing a chess game. " "Offensively and defensively, he might have been the best guy when you put both sides of the puck together." - Park​

Great pick at this point. Ratelle was a borderline franchise center, who redeemed himself in the playoff in his Boston years. He need to be protected though, that's his biggest problem ; he was soft.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Montreal Maroons select Frank Fredrickson.

Another great center, IMO just as good as the Anze Kopitars and Mike Modanos, though more focused on offense (but still competent defensively). His star shone brightly in his day, but it was hard to keep track of his prime because he switched leagues all the time.

I was saddened not to be able to pick him now, because I had urgent needs at wings.

 

[tinyzombies]

Great pick at this point. Ratelle was a borderline franchise center, who redeemed himself in the playoff in his Boston years. He need to be protected though, that's his biggest problem ; he was soft.

Not what I remember. He could take punishment and play through it. Just because he wasn't physical doesn't make him soft. He was overused in NY.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Via proxy,

MadA will select:

Brad McCrimmon, D

 

[BenchBrawl]

Not what I remember. He could take punishment and play through it. Just because he wasn't physical doesn't make him soft. He was overused in NY.

Maybe you're right. I've read that but I'm not 100% sure of anything concerning him.

 

[Habsfan18]

Northcott is both elite physically and defensively, as well as leading the Maroons in goalscoring in their SC championship. His offense does kind of suck, but he's perfect to play with offense-only guys.

Right now, I have him slotted alongside Keon and Pitre. I really like the fit with Pitre on the other wing since he wasn’t exactly physical. Keon will center them right now but that could always change as the draft moves along. I love Keon but he’s very versatile and fits as a 3C as well.

But Northcott’s intangibles were too impressive for me to pass up on him at that spot. Elite defensively and physically like you said. A perfect glue guy although his offense isn’t exactly great. I mean, it’s not horrible. But he fits the best on an ATD line when he isn’t the first or second scoring option.

 

[tinyzombies]

Maybe you're right. I've read that but I'm not 100% sure of anything concerning him.

I remember watching the Habs-Bruins late 70s wars. He was always dangerous in those games, definitely not soft, and he was old then. Good excuse to rewatch a few.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I've been looking for a hard shot somewhere in the lineup, and I think Babe Dye fits the bill.

@Voight is up

 

[BenchBrawl]

Right now, I have him slotted alongside Keon and Pitre. I really like the fit with Pitre on the other wing since he wasn’t exactly physical. Keon will center them right now but that could always change as the draft moves along. I love Keon but he’s very versatile and fits as a 3C as well.

But Northcott’s intangibles were too impressive for me to pass up on him at that spot. Elite defensively and physically like you said. A perfect glue guy although his offense isn’t exactly great. I mean, it’s not horrible. But he fits the best on an ATD line when he isn’t the first or second scoring option on a line.

I've been among Northcott's biggest fans for a few years. I even created his sole bio (to my knowledge), though it wasn't a big one.

Northcott-Keon is elite defensively, but the line WILL suck offensively, so that's a strategy you decided to go with. I have nothing against it. I love defensive players. Pitre is not nearly good enough to compensate for this, so they'll be a very defensive line who can chip in once in a while.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I remember watching the Habs-Bruins late 70s wars. He was always dangerous in those games, definitely not soft, and he was old then. Good excuse to rewatch a few.

In Boston he redeemed his Rangers days is what I've read.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I've been looking for a hard shot somewhere in the lineup, and I think Babe Dye fits the bill.

@Voight is up

Finally ! Sweet Zeus, it was about time the early Brett Hull went. I had no spot for him, I would have snapped him up if I had a spot for his style of player.

 

[tinyzombies]

In Boston he redeemed his Rangers days is what I've read.

Says there they played him too much in NY and he was worn out by playoffs. Before my time. Cherry managed him well apparently.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Scotty Bowman, coach

"When the puck is dropped, there has never been anyone who could run a bench better than Scotty," Toronto general manager Cliff Fletcher, an assistant general manager in St. Louis during the Bowman years, once said. "He was always-three or four moves ahead of the opposition. So his players knew they only had to be as good as the other team. Scotty would make the difference."

There is a lot of cool stuff to dig about Bowman's opinions on the French side. For example in his interview at the Franc-Tireurs is when I learned he considered Crosby among his greatest players ever (I mean at the very top, when asked who was the best ever), along with Howe, Lemieux, Richard, etc, because he dominated both offensively and defensively.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

I looked at Dye back when I picked Dillon, but doesn’t seem like has the skating ability to play with H. Richard. Great value here if he fits your lineup

 

[BenchBrawl]

I looked at Dye back when I picked Dillon, but doesn’t seem like has the skating ability to play with H. Richard. Great value here if he fits your lineup

Would you play Brett Hull with Henri? I mean, it's ackward, but Hull did succeed with Modano so who knows.

 

[Dreakmur]

I've been looking for a hard shot somewhere in the lineup, and I think Babe Dye fits the bill.

@Voight is up

If you need an elite goal-scorer who does little else, this was an obvious good pick. Sketchy play-off resume though. At some point he has to go, and he's been the best offensive player for a long time. I have him with a 7-season vs.X of 91.3, which is exactly the same as Sweeney Schriner.

 

[Dreakmur]

Great pick at this point. Ratelle was a borderline franchise center, who redeemed himself in the playoff in his Boston years. He need to be protected though, that's his biggest problem ; he was soft.

He was the #2 option for me when I took Barry.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I looked at Dye back when I picked Dillon, but doesn’t seem like has the skating ability to play with H. Richard. Great value here if he fits your lineup

Would you play Brett Hull with Henri? I mean, it's ackward, but Hull did succeed with Modano so who knows.

Seems like he could effective trailing on the rush, no?

Oates wasn't fast, but it's not like a guy like Richard is going to get up there so fast that he has to dangle around for ten seconds before Dye catches up.

Anyway, doesn't matter to me, since I was first and foremost looking for an outside shot to play the power play on Malkin's opposite side, and my second line is now just him and Frank Foyston, who's the black T-shirt of ATD second lines. So I've got plenty of time to find the right centre for him.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

If you need an elite goal-scorer who does little else, this was an obvious good pick. Sketchy play-off resume though. At some point he has to go, and he's been the best offensive player for a long time. I have him with a 7-season vs.X of 91.3, which is exactly the same as Sweeney Schriner.

That's way too high.

This is the flip side of your system for early era players underrating playmakers; it will overrate goal scorers.

Babe Dye was a terrible playmaker; no way his overall offense is even in the realm of Schriner.

Good goal scorer though - I briefly considered moving Maltsev back to C so I could pick Dye... but I have bad memories from doing that the time we co-GMed, as I'm sure you do too!