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ATD 2021 Draft Thread III

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Also, for those who don't know, I've been dealing with a recurrence of the severe depression that I have had since I was about 5 years old. It's the reason on why I quit the ATD and I have been temporary away from the top#101-200 project as it was too much to deal with when this came on about 3 weeks ago. I'm sorry for putting the ATD into a bind and I hope to be in this next year.
 
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ted2019 said:
Also, for those who don't know, I've been dealing with a recurrence of the severe depression that I have had since I was about 5 years old. It's the reason on why I quit the ATD and I have been temporary away from the top#101-200 project as it was too much to deal with when this came on about 3 weeks ago. I'm sorry for putting the ATD into a bind and I hope to be in this next year.
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It's OK man, we all have our demons; some of us have worse ones.

Take care of yourself.
 
ted2019 said:
Also, for those who don't know, I've been dealing with a recurrence of the severe depression that I have had since I was about 5 years old. It's the reason on why I quit the ATD and I have been temporary away from the top#101-200 project as it was too much to deal with when this came on about 3 weeks ago. I'm sorry for putting the ATD into a bind and I hope to be in this next year.
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Wishing you all the best. I’m much too familiar with anxiety and depression as well. It can be a constant battle, but keep fighting that fight the best you can. And lean on those close to you for help in any way they can. It’s all you can do.
 
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ted2019 said:
Also, for those who don't know, I've been dealing with a recurrence of the severe depression that I have had since I was about 5 years old. It's the reason on why I quit the ATD and I have been temporary away from the top#101-200 project as it was too much to deal with when this came on about 3 weeks ago. I'm sorry for putting the ATD into a bind and I hope to be in this next year.
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Stay strong brother
 
ted2019 said:
Also, for those who don't know, I've been dealing with a recurrence of the severe depression that I have had since I was about 5 years old. It's the reason on why I quit the ATD and I have been temporary away from the top#101-200 project as it was too much to deal with when this came on about 3 weeks ago. I'm sorry for putting the ATD into a bind and I hope to be in this next year.
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I know how crippling it can be. There are times that I can barely go through the motions of the things I love the most. It's been quite bad for me in recent months as well, and joining up at this place was a great thing for me. I've found a great escape here, personally. Just grab on to whatever does that for you and hold on.
 
TheDevilMadeMe said:
I think Blake would be best for a Gretzky team too, but Patrick is so close, it might as well be just as good
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I don't see it. Can you explain your point of view? Toe Blake had a crazy two-way center 1-2 punch in Béliveau-Henri for the entirety of his coaching career. Never coached around a strictly offensive player. Even those late-1950s teams were primarily defensive teams that were just so good they still dominated offensively.

Edit: By that I mean the 4 MVPs of the mega-dynasty were Beliveau, Harvey, Henri and Plante. All players with a bias for defense except Beliveau, who was a bit of both (though in that timeframe probably way more offensive, granted, especially at the beginning near 1956).
 
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I don't see it. Can you explain your point of view? Toe Blake had a crazy two-way center 1-2 punch in Béliveau-Henri for the entirety of his coaching career. Never coached around a strictly offensive player. Even those late-1950s teams were primarily defensive teams that were just so good they still dominated offensively.
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Those late 50s teams were definitely offensive first:

(Beliveau) was the first-line center on the only team to win five straight Stanley Cups, the 1956-60 Canadiens. They played a fast, offensive style called "firewagon hockey" that often resulted in routs. It was common for the Canadiens to break open close games with four- and five-goal outbursts.

"The Canadiens of that time were known for our skating," Beliveau said. "We were a very good skating team and we were known as an offensive-minded team. We had the caliber of talented players to play that type of game. And we had quite a few of them. The offense was well supported when Doug Harvey was on defense and when you have great goaltending you can go all out.
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Beliveau is a player for the ages - NHL.com - News

I think it was a big deal at the time when the Canadiens became more defensive for Beliveau/Blake's 2nd dynasty.
 
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TheDevilMadeMe said:
Those late 50s teams were definitely offensive first:

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I think it was a big deal at the time when the Canadiens became more defensive for Beliveau/Blake's 2nd dynasty.
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Right, OK, I see what you mean. Still, offensive for that team was still within the parameter of excellent defensive play that was usual in O6. I guess I feel that's twisting the meaning of "offensive" stylistically speaking, to associate the offense of the late-1950s dynasty with that of Gretzky's, which was more caricatural. But then I guess this also applies to Lester Patrick, so I'm going nowhere with my point.
 
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Right, OK, I see what you mean. Still, offensive for that team was still within the parameter of excellent defensive play that was usual in O6. I guess I feel that's twisting the meaning of "offensive" stylistically speaking, to associate the offense of the late-1950s dynasty with that of Gretzky's, which was more caricatural. But then I guess this also applies to Lester Patrick, so I'm going nowhere with my point.
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Yes of course. Depends on if you view style as relative to era or not.
 
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A part of me thinks—hopes!—that Toe Blake would shake his head in disbelief at the defensive display of the 1980s Edmonton Oilers. Probably we can find his actual opinion on it somewhere.
 
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A part of me thinks—hopes!—that Toe Blake would shake his head in disbelief at the defensive display of the 1980s Edmonton Oilers.
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I think A LOT of coaches from that era, and prior would.

It had to have looked so foreign to those old timers. Completely wide open hockey. Not my cup of tea to be honest. Then again, not sure anything was worse than peak DPE. Watching that was often brutal and being a Pens fan on top of it, which, for most of that era, meant garbage viewing lol.
 
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ImporterExporter said:
I think A LOT of coaches from that era, and prior would.

It had to have looked so foreign to those old timers. Completely wide open hockey. Not my cup of tea to be honest. Then again, not sure anything was worse than peak DPE. Watching that was often brutal and being a Pens fan on top of it, which, for most of that era, meant garbage viewing lol.
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Offensive hockey like the 1980s Edmonton Oilers is a sign that the average talent level in the league is mediocre. Great talent level yields O6-like, defensively responsible, tightly-disputed (in every sense) hockey games.
 
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Offensive hockey like the 1980s Edmonton Oilers is a sign that the average talent level in the league is mediocre. Great talent level yields O6-like, defensively responsible, tightly-disputed (in every sense) hockey games.
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Agreed completely, especially after being able to see entire games online that weren't available in years past. There is a great balance and attention to detail away from the puck in 60's/70's hockey and I think the overall quality of the games was consistently better.
 
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I think all of that helps to demonstrate that it can't simply be assumed that recent players are always superior. It's true that the talent pool is a lot deeper overall, but when you look at the caliber of player that it took to make a regular NHL roster in the original six era, you're talking about a caliber of player that would hold up at any time. Just because there are more players now, it doesn't mean that the best of the game back then isn't as good as today's best. In some ways, I'd dare say they were better. There's a balance to everything.
 
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Agreed completely, especially after being able to see entire games online that weren't available in years past. There is a great balance and attention to detail away from the puck in 60's/70's hockey and I think the overall quality of the games was consistently better.
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The 1960s were probably the best league of all-time. The 1970s were a mixed bag with the expansion. The early 1980s were a joke.
 
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The 1960s were probably the best league of all-time. The 1970s were a mixed bag with the expansion. The early 1980s were a joke.
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Personal opinion: Orr #1 of all time (came along in the late 60s), Howe #2 of all time (prime extended well into the 60s), Beliveau #5 of all time (same as Howe), Harvey #6 of all time (prime went into early 60s). Yep, the 60s look pretty danged good to me.
 
Professor What said:
Personal opinion: Orr #1 of all time (came along in the late 60s), Howe #2 of all time (prime extended well into the 60s), Beliveau #5 of all time (same as Howe), Harvey #6 of all time (prime went into early 60s). Yep, the 60s look pretty danged good to me.
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And the best player of the decade: Bobby Hull :naughty:
 
Although, that said, I'd probably flip the 70s and 80s. The 80s, even if not always technically sound, had seen the talent pool start catching up with expansion. Tripling the size of the NHL in less than a decade and the WHA on top of that helped water down the 70s.
 
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Although, that said, I'd probably flip the 70s and 80s. The 80s, even if not always technically sound, had seen the talent pool start catching up with expansion. Tripling the size of the NHL in less than a decade and the WHA on top of that helped water down the 70s.
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The top teams of the 1970s were still better.
 
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