ATD 2021 Draft Thread III

[Professor What]

He has question marks in his record, but if you just look at him on video you can see he's a stud. No question marks for me.

Oh yeah, no doubt at all on the eye test. He was trained as a figure skater, so there's no question as to why he looked so smooth. What's amazing is that he didn't start playing hockey until he was 11 because of that. I guess it could be said that he could have been even more if he'd started earlier, but I think that training was also beneficial to his game, as video shows.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

ATD-participants have said much about side-by-side chemistry- but I'm going to pursue some back-to-front chemistry. When Suchý's not breaking out via his skating, he'll be well-served by a recipient of his headmanning passes. The player we'll welcome into the fold figures to know something about how to do it.

Václav Nedomanský, C/RW Czechoslovakia

 

[Habsfan18]

I've had my eye on him for a long time, and I wasn't sure if he'd make it to me or not. Now that you said that, I feel like I got lucky and dodged a bullet. Lol

I had strongly considered Balderis before settling on Pitre a while back. He’s great value at this point in the draft.

 

[Professor What]

Here in the eleventh round, the Gallifrey TARDIS are now pleased to welcome Taro Tsujimoto... Oh wait, wrong card...

Seriously, I'm going to reunite Sergei Zubov with an old partner and continue adding leadership to the locker room by taking hard-hitting defenseman Derian Hatcher!

 

[BraveCanadian]

Here in the eleventh round, the Gallifrey TARDIS are now pleased to welcome Taro Tsujimoto... Oh wait, wrong card...

Seriously, I'm going to reunite Sergei Zubov with an old partner and continue adding leadership to the locker room by taking hard-hitting defenseman Derian Hatcher!

They do complement each other well, that is for sure.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I'm going to go back to the well of multipositional guys who can fill a bunch of different roles.

Rod Brind'amour, C/LW

I believ @nabby12 is up

 

[Voight]

The last of the 5 players with a case for "best defensive forward ever" - Nighbor, Clarke, Gainey, Carbonneau, Bergeron.

He rightly goes last among them because he is worse offensively than any of them except maybe Gainey, who is a wing.

He was my 2nd choice had Josi been taken.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Here in the eleventh round, the Gallifrey TARDIS are now pleased to welcome Taro Tsujimoto... Oh wait, wrong card...

Seriously, I'm going to reunite Sergei Zubov with an old partner and continue adding leadership to the locker room by taking hard-hitting defenseman Derian Hatcher!

I could never figure out how often Zubov and Hatcher actually played together - I know they basically didn't at all in the 2000 playoffs. Yes, I tend to remember playoffs where my team won better than the others.

If you got bad value (IMO) on Zubov, you got good value on Hatcher. I've long seen Lionel Hitchman, Harvey Pulford, Brad McCrimmon, and Derian Hatcher as more or less the same for ATD purposes.

 

[Professor What]

I could never figure out how often Zubov and Hatcher actually played together - I know they basically didn't at all in the 2000 playoffs.

If you got bad value (IMO) on Zubov, you got good value on Hatcher. I've long seen Lionel Hitchman, Harvey Pulford, Brad McCrimmon, and Derian Hatcher as more or less the same for ATD purposes.

My basic understanding is that they were an on-and-off pair for a while after the Cup run. Neither is the first you'd associate with the other, but they did have experience together, and stylistically, I think they're great.

As for when I chose Zubov, I was a bit surprised to see that he'd moved up like he had (even before his HOF induction -- and I got him a little lower than he went last year), and I won't claim that I took the BPA. I liked the combination of right-hand shot, offense, and penalty killer as well as the fact that he'd played well with both defensive-minded guys as well as an offensive-leaning player like Brian Leetch and seen success. More or less, I was going for a player who checked a lot of boxes, gave me confidence in his abilities, and gave me options. I felt that he was the best fit for that mold at that spot.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

My basic understanding is that they were an on-and-off pair for a while after the Cup run. Neither is the first you'd associate with the other, but they did have experience together, and stylistically, I think they're great.

As for when I chose Zubov, I was a bit surprised to see that he'd moved up like he had (even before his HOF induction -- and I got him a little lower than he went last year), and I won't claim that I took the BPA. I liked the combination of right-hand shot, offense, and penalty killer as well as the fact that he'd played well with both defensive-minded guys as well as an offensive-leaning player like Brian Leetch and seen success. More or less, I was going for a player who checked a lot of boxes, gave me confidence in his abilities, and gave me options. I felt that he was the best fit for that mold at that spot.

Not really relevant to your team, but Leetch-Zubov was only a pairing on the PP. Physical stay-at-homer Jeff Beukeboom was Leetch's partner for basically Zubov's entire time in NY.

Edit: And nobody is going to draft Beukeboom, so I can say his name

 

[BraveCanadian]

Not really relevant to your team, but Leetch-Zubov was only a pairing on the PP. Beukeboom was Leetch's partner for basically Zubov's entire time in NY

That is my recollection as well.

 

[nabby12]

No one PM’ed me that it was my turn!

Anyways, Montreal Maroons select George Hay.

 

[ImporterExporter]

No one PM’ed me that it was my turn!

Anyways, Montreal Maroons select George Hay.

@Johnny Engine

It's just too good to pass up here:

 

[ImporterExporter]

I have LL's proxy:

Toronto selects arguably the greatest captain in team history:

George Armstrong, RW

 

[Habsfan18]

@Johnny Engine

It's just too good to pass up here:

@Johnny Engine

 

[nabby12]

@Johnny Engine

It's just too good to pass up here:

Not a fan of the pick...?

 

[Habsfan18]

Not a fan of the pick...?

Johnny was the one who forgot to PM you lol

 

[nabby12]

Johnny was the one who forgot to PM you lol

Oh, it's all good. I should have been checking the thread anyway. My bad.

 

[Johnny Engine]

The San Diego Silly Geese would be a great AHL team name. And then you could have the Long Beach Awkward Swans in the ECHL.

 

[overpass]

No one PM’ed me that it was my turn!

Anyways, Montreal Maroons select George Hay.

Great pick. I think Hay was very good value here. He just reads like a really complete player with high end skill. A four time first team all star out west and then twice an unofficial first team all star in the consolidated NHL. Inducted into the Hall before many of his contemporaries, including Cy Denneny. I don’t know how he went in the 300s last draft.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Great pick. I think Hay was very good value here. He just reads like a really complete player with high end skill. A four time first team all star out west and then twice an unofficial first team all star in the consolidated NHL. Inducted into the Hall before many of his contemporaries, including Cy Denneny. I don’t know how he went in the 300s last draft.

I suspect Hay is a really good and complete player too, which would make him a really good pick now, but as of today, nobody has been able to find real concrete info about his skillset.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Back to this whole multipositional mess, below is Frank Foyston's offensive record, all finishes in red are in seasons according to @Sprague Cleghorn 's research he was mostly a center (Multi positional player research). But he's acceptable at LW in the ATD? This argument is mainly directed a Nels Stewart, who was a LW for just as many seasons as Foyston and also had 2 of his 4 best offensive seasons from the position.

Edit: Sorry @Johnny Engine not a shot at Foyston specifically just how we handle early era multiposition guys

NHA Points – 11th(1915)
NHA Assists – 3rd(1915)

PCHA Points – 2nd(1920), 3rd(1917), 3rd(1921), 4th(1919), 4th(1922), 4th(1923), 4th(1924), 10th(1918)
1913-14 (Toronto Blueshirts)
10 games at C is all I could come up with. Most games he was listed as spare.

1914-15 (Toronto Blueshirts)
16 C, 1 RW

1915-16 (Seattle Metropolitans)
11 R, 4 LW, 2 C

1916-17 (Seattle Metropolitans)
21 LW, 1 C, 1 R

1918-19 (Seattle Metropolitans)
15 LW

1919-20 (Seattle Metropolitans)
18 C, 1 RW, 1 LW

1920-21 (Seattle Metropolitans)
15 C, 5 RW

1921-22 (Seattle Metropolitans)
12 C, 5 RW, 5 LW

1922-23 (Seattle Metropolitans)
25 C, 1 LW

 

[ImporterExporter]

Not a fan of the pick...?

Was just giving Johnny some shit for not PM'ing you haha.

 

[rmartin65]

Back to back Pulfords for New York-

Bob Pulford, LW/C

@BraveCanadian is on the clock

 

[BraveCanadian]

Going with Hap Day, D

@overpass is up