ATD 2021 Draft Thread III

[ImporterExporter]

And to be clear, I sold Dale as solid/responsible in the original post. From what I've read, I think that's a fair assessment. If some think it's less, I'm not going to bat an eye.

He fits the style I'm aiming for. He provides great depth scoring on a team that went 3D to start. I think his game fits Anderson very well and they can both be counted on as gritty (in Anderson's case very physical) players who will back check responsibly. Certainly not going to claim they are good/great there. That would be hyperbolic of course.

 

[BenchBrawl]

And to be clear, I sold Dale as solid/responsible in the original post. From what I've read, I think that's a fair assessment. If some think it's less, I'm not going to bat an eye.

He fits the style I'm aiming for. He provides great depth scoring on a team that went 3D to start. I think his game fits Anderson very well and they can both be counted on as gritty (in Anderson's case very physical) players who will back check responsibly. Certainly not going to claim they are good/great there. That would be hyperbolic of course.

To be honest even in the OPPF we had conversations about Hawerchuk and Stastny being potential 4th line centers since they may bring a bit more than pure offense, but it was always done in a hand-waving way, so this discussion was bound to happen sooner or later, and preceded whatever is happening in ATD2021 in a way.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Though I will say, since I was on the spot having to choose between Roenick and Hawerchuk, and feel like I have to defend Roenick a little bit, that I don't buy Hawerchuk's two-way game so easily. He gets a lot of mileage out of CC87, but in the NHL he struggled to outscore the opposition at ES even at home, between 81-82 and 93-94.

In that timeframe, among the Top 50 scorers (at home), he is one of only TWO players with negative +/-'s. I get he had a bad team but that's not a good look on his defensive responsability.

NHL Stats

Offensively, he was amazing though. But now we have to figure out the cost of this offense.

His division was a murders row though.. he certainly didn't have the D or goaltending that Roenick had

 

[ImporterExporter]

I agree, IE. Sorry for going on the attack on your player here, but it was inevitable, since I had just pondered whether I should take Hawerchuk, and decided no based on that. I was waiting for him to get picked to have this discussion basically. Just how much defense can Hawerchuk provide (and in the same vein, Stastny).

I think Hawerchuk is a great pick up for you, as you started your forward group late. He brings game-breaking talent where this is rare at this range in the draft.

No worries at all bud! This is what the ATD is amazing for. Dialogue.

We can't learn anything if we don't communicate and push one another to research and take part in the research of these players/topics.

 

[BenchBrawl]

His division was a murders row though..

True. Would need to check if that played a disproportionate role in his GAs, and split for road/home.

 

[BenchBrawl]

No worries at all bud! This is what the ATD is amazing for. Dialogue.

We can't learn anything if we don't communicate and push one another to research and take part in the research of these players/topics.

Agreed, but I know it's still not fun when someone comes in with an angle on a player you just picked. But yeah I had to do it here, regardless of who would have picked him up.

 

[BraveCanadian]

It would be interesting to split Hawerchuk's GAs and see if playing more against Edmonton in the 1980s had a significant impact on those.

And check out his goaltenders!

 

[BenchBrawl]

And check out his goaltenders!

What is your opinion? Do you think Hawerchuk was responsible defensively in Winnipeg?

 

[overpass]

When you see Hawerchuk play well in a defensive role at the Canada Cup, that suggests he could take on a more defensive role in the ATD.

But if he does that, is he going to be a 100+ point scorer, 85 VsX type scorer? I don’t see it. You can’t have it both ways and get the offence and the defence if he didn’t show that at the same time.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Chicago selects Corey Perry, RW

Despite being nothing to write home about defensively, I think Perry is a good 3rd liner, strong even strength scorer, physical, and a pain in the ass to play against.

Also a good playoff performer. And while this isn't the most meaningful stat...during last year's playoff run with Dallas, Perry became tied for 3rd all time with Glenn Anderson and Patrick Kane with 5 Playoff OT winners.

 

[Professor What]

Chicago selects Corey Perry, RW

Despite being nothing to write home about defensively, I think Perry is a good 3rd liner, strong even strength scorer, physical, and a pain in the ass to play against.

Also a good playoff performer. And while this isn't the most meaningful stat...during last year's playoff run with Dallas, Perry became tied for 3rd all time with Glenn Anderson and Patrick Kane with 5 Playoff OT winners.

I tend to view game-winning goals as perhaps the single most overrated stat in hockey, but I think an exception has to be made for OT game winners, because it's obvious that's the goal that breaks the camel's back, and the sudden death nature adds pressure. Add the playoff aspect to it, and that's more true. So, while it might not be the most meaningful stat, it sure as heck doesn't look bad.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Chicago selects Corey Perry, RW

Despite being nothing to write home about defensively, I think Perry is a good 3rd liner, strong even strength scorer, physical, and a pain in the ass to play against.

Also a good playoff performer. And while this isn't the most meaningful stat...during last year's playoff run with Dallas, Perry became tied for 3rd all time with Glenn Anderson and Patrick Kane with 5 Playoff OT winners.

Obviously a solid 3rd line RWer here. Surprised he lasted that long, same for Broadbent and Taylor and all the rest. That's why I took Wheeler so early, thought they would all get picked shortly.

 

[ImporterExporter]

When you see Hawerchuk play well in a defensive role at the Canada Cup, that suggests he could take on a more defensive role in the ATD.

But if he does that, is he going to be a 100+ point scorer, 85 VsX type scorer? I don’t see it. You can’t have it both ways and get the offence and the defence if he didn’t show that at the same time.

Agreed completely.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Chicago selects Corey Perry, RW

Despite being nothing to write home about defensively, I think Perry is a good 3rd liner, strong even strength scorer, physical, and a pain in the ass to play against.

Also a good playoff performer. And while this isn't the most meaningful stat...during last year's playoff run with Dallas, Perry became tied for 3rd all time with Glenn Anderson and Patrick Kane with 5 Playoff OT winners.

I looked at the list and it's unbelievable how Maurice Richard is sitting there in 2nd place, with nobody from his era even being close.

 

[Professor What]

I looked at the list and it's unbelievable how Maurice Richard is sitting there in 2nd place, with nobody from his era even being close.

I think I've heard of that guy...

 

[RustyRazor]

Chicago selects Corey Perry, RW

Despite being nothing to write home about defensively, I think Perry is a good 3rd liner, strong even strength scorer, physical, and a pain in the ass to play against.

Also a good playoff performer. And while this isn't the most meaningful stat...during last year's playoff run with Dallas, Perry became tied for 3rd all time with Glenn Anderson and Patrick Kane with 5 Playoff OT winners.

Obviously a solid 3rd line RWer here. Surprised he lasted that long, same for Broadbent and Taylor and all the rest. That's why I took Wheeler so early, thought they would all get picked shortly.

Perry was a last resort 2nd line RW choice for me if Broadbent and Smith both went, and he'd be pretty weak for the role. Obviously I'm glad that things played out the way they did. I read a bunch of ATDers in older drafts talking about how Punch was routinely drafted too high so I thought it was a worthy risk to take that he'd slide into the mid or late 200s.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Perry was a last resort 2nd line RW choice for me if Broadbent and Smith both went, and he'd be pretty weak for the role. Obviously I'm glad that things played out the way they did. I read a bunch of ATDers in older drafts talking about how Punch was routinely drafted too high so I thought it was a worthy risk to take that he'd slide into the mid or late 200s.

Punch was drafted really high when the only thing we knew about offense was top 10 finishes. We saw he won an Art Ross (in a split league, but still). What we didn't know was that when he didn't finish top 10, he wasn't anywhere close to the leaders.

I think you got him in a good spot though. Given Punch's defensive game, I honestly don't know who I prefer between him and Cam Neely

 

[MadArcand]

Whalers select Craig Ramsay, LW

 

[VanIslander]

Please explain.

 

[MadArcand]

Please explain.

The pick or the photo?

 

[BenchBrawl]

Good pick with Ramsay. I looked at him, wanted his elite PKing, but didn't want to start my 4th line and had the LWers spots taken on the 1-2-3.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

The best goal scorer available looks like Russell Bowie, C

Bowie was was the best goal scorer of the first decade of the 20th century by a wide margin, and had excellent longevity for his era.

In a no-trade draft, with most of the GMs before my next pick set at C, I might let him fall, but in a draft that allows trades, I don't want to be burned.

 

[BenchBrawl]

@Voight selects Brian Rafalski, D

 

[BenchBrawl]

Next has been PMed

 

[BenchBrawl]

The best goal scorer available looks like Russell Bowie, C

Bowie was was the best goal scorer of the first decade of the 20th century by a wide margin, and had excellent longevity for his era.

In a no-trade draft, with most of the GMs before my next pick set at C, I might let him fall, but in a draft that allows trades, I don't want to be burned.

Good value. Hard to build around but rewarding if you succeed.