ATD 2021 Draft Thread III
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BenchBrawl
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BraveCanadian
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I think that Hawerchuk's numbers will look worse than most of his comparables due to team factors around him.
In the 80s those front line superstar centers were expected to play "ok" defense and use their offensive talent to win games. I don't think Hawerchuk was a Doug Gilmour by any means, but none of that group of 80s centers (Savard, Stastny, Hawerchuk etc.) that tend to go as 2nd line centers were. They were a product of their time.
I don't think Roenick was anything to write home about from a purely defensive aspect at his peak, either. He competed all over the ice but he really came in at the tail end of that 80s style of center. Of course his numbers will look better on that Blackhawks team with a Vezina winning goaltender etc.
I think all of these guys became more responsible as the league shifted around them.
tinyzombies
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Crosby just praised him heavily on Spittin Chicklets after saying Lidstrom is by far the best D he ever played against.
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That is a GREAT interview. Sid is so guarded off the rink (for good reason these days) that it's very rare to see him open up, curse (yeah I had to mention that haha) and bring about a lighter side that you often don't see. I think I posted a link in the chat thread last year.
Absolutely said Lidstrom was easily the best D he ever faced but that Rafalski was quite underrated.
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In line with our rankings. Every Dman we rank above Lidstrom is before Crosby’s time
Edit: And the next guy Crosby played against we rank pretty far behind Lidstrom
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Yep. A pretty wide gap from Lidstrom down to Pronger's, Chara's, Keith's etc. Top 15 player IMO, down to about the 60-80 range for those 3.
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Rafalski was such a smart player who played so well within his limitations.
He had a pretty late start to his NHL career as well. He was 26 by the time he played in the NHL for the first time. I always liked him.
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Agreed. That's the impression I got watching him, especially later in his career. He didn't seem to be a guy who over extended himself that often, though some one like TDMM, who surely saw a lot more of BR, would be able to confirm with more accuracy.
tinyzombies
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I saw quite a bit of him when I lived in NY. Super solid, anticipation, skating, slick, all the things we know about him. He could be muscled, but you'd have to catch him.
RustyRazor
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I had my eye on Rafalski and Ramsay. I'll pick up my goalie here. Welcome to Portland Roy Worters (G)!
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With CTP doing the government's work, he has entrusted me to make public, these 2 inseparable brothers.
Henrik and Daniel Sedin!! C and LW
Henrik and Daniel Sedin!! C and LW
Johnny Engine
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Good pick! I enjoyed reading up on him in the Top 200 project. Incredible that a man so small (5'3'') could have done what he did.
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With CTP doing the government's work, he has entrusted me to make public, these 2 inseparable brothers.
Henrik and Daniel Sedin!! C and LW
@Dreakmur feeling good about his Marchand pick right about now
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Weiland, the guy who stood by the offensive crease while play went the other way to his end, awaiting a long non-offside pass during his career scoring year when the NHL rules were patently absurd for half a season.
And, the same guy who was replaced by Barry, the Wings said to have suddenly the physical center needed to win two championships.
And, the same guy who was replaced by Barry, the Wings said to have suddenly the physical center needed to win two championships.
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TheDevilMadeMe
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Have you missed the repeated posts where it was shown that Weiland put up more points after "offsides" was added in the second half of the season than he did before when there was no off-side rule?
It was a total outlier season for Weiland, but I think it should be seen as a legit one.
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Another strong coach for the division. Great pick. It was down to him and Hap Day for my pick. Thought Day suited my core better, but Ivan is the ultimate players coach.
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