ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV

[rmartin65]

Sid Smith, LW

@Voight is on the clock

 

[DitchMarner]

I copied and pasted xxx from a list by accident. Wanted Verbeek instead since I needed a RW. I'm surprised IE caught my original post since I edited it in about two minutes.

 

[VanIslander]

No harm, no foul.

 

[Voight]

We'll take Brian "Soupy" Campbell

 

[Habsfan18]

Albert “Ludec” is listed as Macho Man’s pick (473) in the OP.

 

[ResilientBeast]

To address concerns about MacKay requiring some protection on the ice, the Rosebuds will move Pavelski down to our third line and complete our top 6 with Todd Bertuzzi, RW

He's a tough customer (usually within the rules), who peaked highest with the help of PP time but was also a fairly accomplished ES scorer. His 7 year ESVsX is comparable with players taken long ago.

7 Year VsX: 68.5
7 Year ESVsX: 50

Peak:

• 2000-01: 14th in PP goals
• 2001-02: 13th in goals, 8th in assists, 3rd in points, 6th in PP goals
• 2002-03: 3rd in goals, 13th in assists, 5th in points, 1st in PP goals
• 2003-04: 19th in assists in the, ahem, shortened season.

• -4 consecutive 40 assist seasons (02, 03, 04, 06).
• -All Star games in 2003, 2004
• -1st Team AS RW in 2003
• -5th in Hart voting in 2003
• -3rd in All Star voting for LW (behind Naslund and Shanahan) and 6th in All Star voting for RW in 2002. Does anyone know what happened here? Why Bert received more votes for AS LW than AS RW?

TDMM's bio

As a goon/guy who sticks up for his teammates

The Steve Moore stupidity is widely know, but for a few years, Bertuzzi basically mugged anyone who touched Naslund.

As a Red Wing:

This is how they settle difference in the game of hockey, this is per the "Hockey Code" last game Shea Weber drove Henrik Zetterberg head into the glass at the end of game one, it was an unneeded and unnecessary and dirty hit. So Redwings hack Todd Bertuzzi did the right thing, he challenged Weber to a fight and they settled their difference like men, on the ice.

Goon's World: Todd Bertuzzi vs Shea Weber

According to dropyourgloves.com, he has a 20-4-14 career record in fights: http://dropyourgloves.com/Fights/FightCard.aspx?P=319

Drafted players he has fought: Scott Stevens, Joel Otto, XXX (twice), Owen Nolan, Adam Foote, Keith Tkachuk, XXX (twice), Shea Weber.

THN Forecaster 2014

Assets: Big, strong and mobile, he owns soft hands. Can still score a few goals and set up his linemates. Can also dominate down low. Has improved defensively over time. Is usually pretty good in shootout situations when called upon.

Flaws: Injuries have taken their toll over the years and he's had serious back issues in the past. Production has slowed over time as a result. Can take bad penalties in the offensive zone. Isn't the impact player he once was.
Career Potential: Aging but savvy power forward.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Albert “Ludec” is listed as Macho Man’s pick (473) in the OP.

Fixed sir. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

To address concerns about MacKay requiring some protection on the ice, the Rosebuds will move Pavelski down to our third line and complete our top 6 with Todd Bertuzzi, RW

He's a tough customer (usually within the rules), who peaked highest with the help of PP time but was also a fairly accomplished ES scorer. His 7 year ESVsX is comparable with players taken long ago.

7 Year VsX: 68.5
7 Year ESVsX: 50

Peak:

• 2000-01: 14th in PP goals
• 2001-02: 13th in goals, 8th in assists, 3rd in points, 6th in PP goals
• 2002-03: 3rd in goals, 13th in assists, 5th in points, 1st in PP goals
• 2003-04: 19th in assists in the, ahem, shortened season.

• -4 consecutive 40 assist seasons (02, 03, 04, 06).
• -All Star games in 2003, 2004
• -1st Team AS RW in 2003
• -5th in Hart voting in 2003
• -3rd in All Star voting for LW (behind Naslund and Shanahan) and 6th in All Star voting for RW in 2002. Does anyone know what happened here? Why Bert received more votes for AS LW than AS RW?

TDMM's bio

First time he's ever been used in the top 6? I think he works there. He and MacKay cover for each other's main weakness.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

LW Marc Tardif

 

[ResilientBeast]

First time he's ever been used in the top 6? I think he works there. He and McKay cover for each other's main weakness.

I figured Flaman and Hooley taking numbers from the bench was probably not the strongest deterrent.

Needed someone tougher on his actual line, just in case

His offence is decent, and his ESVsX surprised me only 2 points lower than Shanahan

 

[ImporterExporter]

@BenchBrawl was skipped at 729 AM EST (-1).

@kruezer is up now. I'll pm him and the next group of folks coming up.

 

[kruezer]

From the dams of the Pekhorka River, North Bay is happy to select D Yuri Lyapkin

 

[BenchBrawl]

Frank McGee

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Frank McGee

He's the comparable I thought of when McDavid was drafted, though McGee didn't wasn't as good a playmaker as McDavid and was a better all round player, so maybe isn't a good comparable. I guess they are only comparable as short career centers...

I like McGee as a well-rounded #3 C in this, so long as you don't need to give him major special teams minutes.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

From the dams of the Pekhorka River, North Bay is happy to select D Yuri Lyapkin

Good PP guy.

 

[VanIslander]

McGee was the last of the legit top-6 role centers.

EDIT: There is one more, arguably.

Glad to see a draft big enough for a Bowie, Weight, Hlinka and Turgeon to get top-6 role minutes (because otherwise they would be benched by most coaches).

 

[ImporterExporter]

@tabness (-1) has until 4:31 PM EST to pick.

@Selfish Man would then be up.

 

[BenchBrawl]

He's the comparable I thought of when McDavid was drafted, though McGee didn't wasn't as good a playmaker as McDavid and was a better all round player, so maybe isn't a good comparable. I guess they are only comparable as short career centers...

I like McGee as a well-rounded #3 C in this, so long as you don't need to give him major special teams minutes.

I'm not even that knowledgable about McGee, but he felt like the best center left for my purpose. I'll probably play him with Broadbent and move Amonte with Roenick.

Don't think he's gonna play any special minute. Maybe on the 2nd PP unit if nobody else does the job.

McGee was the last of the legit top-6 role centers.

EDIT: There is one more, arguably.

Glad to see a draft big enough for a Bowie, Weight, Hlinka and Turgeon to get top-6 role minutes (because otherwise they would be benched by most coaches).

Ironically, both Hlinka and McGee are in my bottom 6 as the 3rd line center.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

McGee was the last of the legit top-6 role centers.

EDIT: There is one more, arguably.

Glad to see a draft big enough for a Bowie, Weight, Hlinka and Turgeon to get top-6 role minutes (because otherwise they would be benched by most coaches).

I think that with Hlinka's size and leadership, he'd be a decent 4th liner. Agree about the rest of them. Well, Bowie is a top 6 center in what used to be the normal sized 30-32 team draft, but I agree that in the recent 20-25 team drafts, he generally wasn't.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I think that with Hlinka's size and leadership, he'd be a decent 4th liner. Agree about the rest of them. Well, Bowie is a top 6 center in what used to be the normal sized 30-32 team draft, but I agree that in the recent 20-25 team drafts, he generally wasn't.

You don't like Hlinka on my 3rd line? Felt he was good support for Crosby and Bergeron on a Bowman team, but I haven't exactly been on top of things in the last few weeks and my drafting's been very approximative.

 

[VanIslander]

Hlinka = Petrov

Different skillsets, similar international dominance.

Czechoslovakians at every position are undervalued relative to Soviets, especially in the mid- to late-70s, when they were equivalent.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

You don't like Hlinka on my 3rd line? Felt he was good support for Crosby and Bergeron on a Bowman team, but I haven't exactly been on top of things in the last few weeks and my drafting's been very approximative.

I was answering VI; I wasn't looking through the roster thread. Bergeron is certainly a non-traditional 2nd liner in this, so of course you wouldn't have as defensive a third line playing behind him.

 

[VanIslander]

Bergeron is certainly a non-traditional 2nd liner in this, ...

As is a Fredrickson first liner, Spezza third liner and undrafted 2nd line pivot at pick 529th (but Otto worthy early third)?

 

[RustyRazor]

As is a Fredrickson first liner, Spezza third liner and undrafted 2nd line pivot at pick 529th (but Otto worthy early third)?

Well if you like my first two center draft picks that much, you are really going to love my next one.

 

[VanIslander]

The upshot: Every team will have at least one question mark, unless it is all lukewarm.

The point is: How likely will that guy perform? How many uncertainties does a team have?