ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV
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"You're a boring old man"
Hold up, that was not who you put down first. Sorry but it was originally Ray Whitney which is how i updated the OP.
Rules are you stick with the first guy posted.
Just the messenger.
VanIslander
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C'mon.
If no one else posted yet, then no harm no foul.
Edit IE , and cut the newbie a little slack!!!
If no one else posted yet, then no harm no foul.
Edit IE , and cut the newbie a little slack!!!
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
I'll do whatever the majority wants but I always thought that once you posted the pick it was official. I literally cut and pasted what he posted onto the OP. It was was Whitney. But I'm just trying to go by the rules here. Whatever folks want.
I don’t have a problem with just giving him Verbeek since nobody else has picked since he posted it. Depends what others think.
Claude The Fraud
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VanIslander
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"You're a boring old man"
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Claude The Fraud
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The Halifax Mooseheads would like to welcome, from Stockholm, Sweden, a guy who was know for his leadership, hustling and dedication, Bob Nystrom.
TheDevilMadeMe
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Since hockey reference started adding voting records a few years ago, I'd imagine that the most recent years there would be accurate.
It's their older data where they made transcription errors copying it from hfboards.
Dreakmur
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TheDevilMadeMe
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I took this as a challenge and just spent the last 15 minutes searching...
Found this: 2018 NHL Award Winners and-Voting Results
MadArcand
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ResilientBeast
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I could've sworn on the main boards a thread gets posted during awards announcement with all the voting...but I can't find it now
tony d
New poll series coming from me in June
VanIslander
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He created the name "Bruins" because he wanted aggressiveness.
He put a bounty on a ref's head and paid it when Sprague Cleghorn's longtime blueline partner loyally followed through and did the deed, received the payment, then was banned for life, a sentence overturned five years later when the truth of the coach's order came to light.
He... will appreciate your Kirk Muller, Ryan Kesler, and Ken Reardon.
VanIslander
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C'mon. Read carefully. It was "Cleghorn's longtime blueline partner".
The lifetime ban was overturned when players in the room eventually told reporters about it. By then the loyal but banned player was near 40 and didn't want to play any more anyways. Some history books (and lame *** websites) mention neither coach Ross's bounty on the ref nor the overturned sentence but report the lifetime ban for the assault on the ref.
The lifetime ban was overturned when players in the room eventually told reporters about it. By then the loyal but banned player was near 40 and didn't want to play any more anyways. Some history books (and lame *** websites) mention neither coach Ross's bounty on the ref nor the overturned sentence but report the lifetime ban for the assault on the ref.
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I'll pick Flash Hollett, D to QB the Swamp Devils' powerplay
Hollett was known primarily for his shot, his speed, and his "versatility." He really could be listed as "D/utility player."
Hollett's lack of defense all-star votes in his high scoring years from 1938-39 to 1940-41 seems to be because he was used as a utility player, playing about half the games at D and half the games at forward. Source via @Sprague Cleghorn = Multi positional player research).
I believe he was mainly a defenseman in the 1939 and 1941 playoffs, when he led all dmen in scoring and won 2 Cups.
Prior to the 1941-42 season, Hollett asked to be made a full-time defenseman (I found a source for this but don't have it on hand, I'll put it in an updated bio). Hollett played the first 3/4 of the season as a defenseman before being moved up front when the Bruins lost the Kraut Line to WW2 and Bill Cowley to injury. He appears to have finished top 8 in Hart voting that year, but we don't have complete voting totals beyond the top 3 (Source - Award & All-Star Voting (1912-present)). So Hollett could have finished anywhere from 4th - 8th in Hart voting.
He was finally a fulltime defenseman in 1942-43, leading the league in scoring by a defenseman legitimately, and being voted as a 2nd Team All-Star.
Midway through 1943-44, he was traded for the much younger Pat Egan. He ended up barely missing out on another 2nd Team All-Star nod.
He led all defensemen in scoring in 1944-45, was voted 1st Team All-Star and finished 4th in Hart voting.
After an injury-ridden 1945-46, a contract dispute with Detroit's GM ended his career, with the Detroit GM telling Hollett he'd make sure he never ended up in the HHOF.
Hollett regularly played the point on the PP and forward on the PK, regardless of where he lined up at even strength.
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Short version - finding out Hollett played about half the games as a forward from 1938-39 to 1940-41 shows why he got almost no recognition as an all-star defenseman over this period. He's not as good offensively as "1st in scoring among defensemen 4 times, 2nd in scoring among defensemen 3 times" would look.
But there's no longer reason to think he was significantly worse in his own end than other offense-first defensemen. Multiple quotes in his old profile - ATD 2014 - the Bios Thread - and elsewhere paint him as at least showing up in his own end. And we have a pretty good alternate explanation for his complete lack of defenseman all-star votes in the first half of his offensive prime.
Hollett was known primarily for his shot, his speed, and his "versatility." He really could be listed as "D/utility player."
Hollett's lack of defense all-star votes in his high scoring years from 1938-39 to 1940-41 seems to be because he was used as a utility player, playing about half the games at D and half the games at forward. Source via @Sprague Cleghorn = Multi positional player research).
I believe he was mainly a defenseman in the 1939 and 1941 playoffs, when he led all dmen in scoring and won 2 Cups.
Prior to the 1941-42 season, Hollett asked to be made a full-time defenseman (I found a source for this but don't have it on hand, I'll put it in an updated bio). Hollett played the first 3/4 of the season as a defenseman before being moved up front when the Bruins lost the Kraut Line to WW2 and Bill Cowley to injury. He appears to have finished top 8 in Hart voting that year, but we don't have complete voting totals beyond the top 3 (Source - Award & All-Star Voting (1912-present)). So Hollett could have finished anywhere from 4th - 8th in Hart voting.
He was finally a fulltime defenseman in 1942-43, leading the league in scoring by a defenseman legitimately, and being voted as a 2nd Team All-Star.
Midway through 1943-44, he was traded for the much younger Pat Egan. He ended up barely missing out on another 2nd Team All-Star nod.
He led all defensemen in scoring in 1944-45, was voted 1st Team All-Star and finished 4th in Hart voting.
After an injury-ridden 1945-46, a contract dispute with Detroit's GM ended his career, with the Detroit GM telling Hollett he'd make sure he never ended up in the HHOF.
Hollett regularly played the point on the PP and forward on the PK, regardless of where he lined up at even strength.
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Short version - finding out Hollett played about half the games as a forward from 1938-39 to 1940-41 shows why he got almost no recognition as an all-star defenseman over this period. He's not as good offensively as "1st in scoring among defensemen 4 times, 2nd in scoring among defensemen 3 times" would look.
But there's no longer reason to think he was significantly worse in his own end than other offense-first defensemen. Multiple quotes in his old profile - ATD 2014 - the Bios Thread - and elsewhere paint him as at least showing up in his own end. And we have a pretty good alternate explanation for his complete lack of defenseman all-star votes in the first half of his offensive prime.
seventieslord
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And yet, they were also his best points finishes. All things considered they are still his most impressive seasons.
I have his best 7 VsX scores at 97, 85, 76, 75, 74, 68, 41 - the 41 is a perfect example of why a not all top-10s in early leagues should be considered equal - this is the season where he was 10th in 1920.
If he's a viable LW, then he's a pretty good 2nd line glue guy.
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Sorry about that, got complacent due to @ImporterExporter 's efforts at PMing everyone. So really, it's his fault
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