ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV

[Iceman]

Stockholm selects Bobby Smith, C

Grabbing another backup center. Lecavalier is there as a PP backup but Smith should be able to fill in on most lines at ES at the center position.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

The Chicago Shamrocks select John MacLean, RW

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Looking at the NHL numbers this year, it seems that our estimates of 7 minutes each of PP/PK time for our minutes charts may be a bit high. Just looking at times shorthanded for each team, if you divide by the number of games played and assume they kill off 2 minutes every time (which they obviously don't), you get 7 minutes per game on the high end and 5 minutes per game on the low end.

Is it too late to make a change for this year? I'm fine if it is, a lot of people have their minutes charts done already, but this is something we should look into for next year.

 

[jarek]

Looking at the NHL numbers this year, it seems that our estimates of 7 minutes each of PP/PK time for our minutes charts may be a bit high. Just looking at times shorthanded for each team, if you divide by the number of games played and assume they kill off 2 minutes every time (which they obviously don't), you get 7 minutes per game on the high end and 5 minutes per game on the low end.

Is it too late to make a change for this year? I'm fine if it is, a lot of people have their minutes charts done already, but this is something we should look into for next year.

Does it even matter? The minutes chart is supposed to give us a rough estimate of how much we intend to use each defenseman as a percentage of the total amount of ice time, NOT a picture perfect indicator of exactly how much ice time they're going to get.

 

[seventieslord]

Stockholm selects Bobby Smith, C

Grabbing another backup center. Lecavalier is there as a PP backup but Smith should be able to fill in on most lines at ES at the center position.

That's another "Carter plus".

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Does it even matter? The minutes chart is supposed to give us a rough estimate of how much we intend to use each defenseman as a percentage of the total amount of ice time, NOT a picture perfect indicator of exactly how much ice time they're going to get.

Probably not a whole lot, but why not make it more accurate if we easily can?

5 minutes might be a bit low (a VERY rough calculation says 5.5), but it would be very easy to get those percentages you're talking about, with ES, PP, and PK time all being a factor of 5. It might be worth it to make the change next year just because of that.


EDIT: Also, then you can easily compare to what gets done in real life to see where the realistic limits are. We already do this with total time, why not do it with the breakdowns as well?

 

[BenchBrawl]

Why use the current season as model? I like to see the ATD as a league played in some abstract era where all eras are considered and in constant stress against each others.I understand the need for a rough translation in hockey numbers we are accustomed to, but 2017 isn't necessarily the best candidate for that (compared to say, 2008, 2001, 1996 or 1989).

 

[jarek]

I like the idea of 50/5/5 because it's clean in multiples of 5. Should make it a bit easier.

 

[BenchBrawl]

In any case, I don't care for changing my minute charts.I'll start fresh next year with new standard totals if needed.It's a matter of timing.The minute charts have been posted for a while, changing them now makes no sense to me.I grew accustomed to those numbers, and even drafted players with them in mind (not that it would have changed much anyway, but still).

 

[jarek]

In any case, I don't care for changing my minute charts.I'll start fresh next year with new standard totals if needed.It's a matter of timing.The minute charts have been posted for a while, changing them now makes no sense to me.I grew accustomed to those numbers, and even drafted players with them in mind (not that it would have changed much anyway, but still).

I don't think anyone is proposing to make any changes to what we have this year. As you said, it doesn't make sense.

 

[seventieslord]

I'll select Brian Bellows, W.

I'm really surprised Bellows doesn't fly off the shelves as a spare, and I was shocked that he fell to the MLD a few years back. He's an example of a winger that was almost perfectly 50/50 LW and RW, who has the offensive skill to be a 2nd line fill-in if necessary, and can work the corners reasonably well enough that he's a passable 2nd/3rd liner, especially in this age of more offensively-oriented bottom sixers.

He wasn't the best scoring player left (as usual, a bunch of centers hold that distinction), but he was rising towards the top of that list pretty quickly, and if you're specifically looking for a LW/RW combo right now, he was pretty easily the best out there.

 

[Dreakmur]

I've been unable to decide between 2 defensemen for the last hour or so..... and apparently one of them has already been drafted.


Orillia Terriers select Wade Redden

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

D, Gennadi Tsygankov

 

[MadArcand]

I generally don't like to pick a player two years in a row, but he's just ideal fit as spare for my team. Whalers select John Tavares, C

 

[Dreakmur]

Who was the other guy? Duchesne?

Andrei Markov

 

[ResilientBeast]

Not here

And no bullying is never okay

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There is no other intent I can see besides the bolded for continually reminding LL of a simple mistake

 

[Dreakmur]

I generally don't like to pick a player two years in a row, but he's just ideal fit as spare for my team. Whalers select John Tavares, C

If he keeps his current pace this year, he'll jump to a 7 year vs x of over 80.

 

[jarek]

If he keeps his current pace this year, he'll jump to a 7 year vs x of over 80.

Great offensive player, but as far as I know doesn't bring much else to the table, right? Admittedly I'm not familiar with Tavares.

Well everyone was complaining about the draft becoming stale, but so many modern players are coming up to the point where their careers are starting to get fleshed out nicely. We're probably going to see some major movement of players over the next few years.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I'll grab a spare D and select Dallas Smith, D

 

[MadArcand]

Great offensive player, but as far as I know doesn't bring much else to the table, right? Admittedly I'm not familiar with Tavares.

Well everyone was complaining about the draft becoming stale, but so many modern players are coming up to the point where their careers are starting to get fleshed out nicely. We're probably going to see some major movement of players over the next few years.

Eh, he's reasonable defensively and a leader, so not totally offense only.

 

[jarek]

I'll grab a spare D and select Dallas Smith, D

Honestly, I don't see what makes him any worse than most of the D selected in the last 100+ picks.

However, he has a very strange inconsistency between his AS placements and Norris voting record.

 

[Sturminator]

Honestly, I don't see what makes him any worse than most of the D selected in the last 100+ picks.

However, he has a very strange inconsistency between his AS placements and Norris voting record.

The fact that he spent so much time and got so much exposure as Bobby Orr's partner makes it very hard to peg his actual value as a player.

 

[Fugu]

I'm going to clean this thread up now, but I do suggest some of you review our site rules -- to which you all agreed.

I will re-open it in ten minutes.


Edit: Open for discussion about the draft again. Please review the site rules, but #1 on the list is quite relevant.

 

[markrander87]

Nice pick in Dallas Smith, he was up there with Harmon for us.

 

[seventieslord]

My first of 25 bios this year is done. I give you Guy Lafleur.

I don't often like doing bios for super top end players, because there is just so much written about them and I have this compulsion to include everything I find.

I also don't really like bios for offense-only players because there's only so many times you can say "he was such a good scorer".

However, I had a blast creating this bio. I learned a lot of things I never knew before, and it even surprised me how often some things were emphasized by those who wrote about him during his career:

- Although not an intimidating physical force or shutdown player, those writing about Lafleur often made a point of referring to him as complete, responsible defensively, impossible to intimidate, and far from soft.
- The amount of abuse he took from the opposition's thugs seems to have been more than most superstars endured (probably the era)
- His intensity, dedication, hard work and desire to win frequently come up (in practically every article during his prime for sure!)
- His athleticism is a focus a lot of the time. I knew he smoked cigarettes casually and was still the fastest player on the ice, but I never realized his cardiovascular health was so impeccable. It really seems like Lafleur was a genetic freak; teammates said he was never short of breath or even sweating. The results of a medical team that studied him are even included.
- Lots is made of his grace, charm, charisma, aura, "je ne sais quoi". He was a larger than life player.
- His status as the best player of his era is brought up on a regular basis, both during his prime and after it. They ran out of ways to describe his dominance.
- It's made clear often that, as good as the Habs were, he was their best and most valuable player, and the engine that drove the car.

This is the only time I had to trim a bio in order to fit it into one post. If you take the time to read it, I hope you enjoy, and also rest easy knowing it's longer than probably my next three longest bios this year will be.