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jarek said:
Can you name specific examples?
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Blackhawks have been searching for a LW to play with xxx and Hossa for 2 seasons...several auditions from players who are natural right wings. None were able to fill the role but are clearly more effective on the right side. So its been observed first hand that those players aren't the same players on left side, but even more importantly, with all of these right wings why haven't Kane or Hossa moved to the left side to try to accommodate them? This is a huge hole for the Hawks...if either Kane or Hossa were able to play the left side as effectively as the right don't you think they would've at least tried it? Especially with a coach who always has his finger on the line-o-matic blender?
 
overpass said:
I think you missed a certain prominent RD who played for the Tigers the whole time Gardiner was there.

Based on his partners I think it's unlikely that Gardiner ever played the right side as his primary position in professional hockey.
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You're right. I went back and checked, and I have no idea how I did not see his name. It turns out that the certain HOF RHS D that I mentioned joined in 1925-26 was actually there all along!
 
Hawkey Town 18 said:
Blackhawks have been searching for a LW to play with xxx and Hossa for 2 seasons...several auditions from players who are natural right wings. None were able to fill the role but are clearly more effective on the right side. So its been observed first hand that those players aren't the same players on left side, but even more importantly, with all of these right wings why haven't Kane or Hossa moved to the left side to try to accommodate them? This is a huge hole for the Hawks...if either Kane or Hossa were able to play the left side as effectively as the right don't you think they would've at least tried it? Especially with a coach who always has his finger on the line-o-matic blender?
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So what you're saying is, they aren't sure if it would actually work? You just said they haven't tried it.

If Daniel Winnik plays on his off side, I'd be concerned about a deterioration of his play. But skilled played like Kane or Hossa, I believe, would make a successful transition.

It really depends on the player. It really helps to be a good stickhandler. I believe those types of players would have a much easier time transitioning.

That's not to say I think it's automatic. If someone decided to play a winger on their off-wing in the ATD, without any proven success of it in real life, I'd have to make a negative adjustment for that, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable.
 
jarek said:
So what you're saying is, they aren't sure if it would actually work? You just said they haven't tried it.

If Daniel Winnik plays on his off side, I'd be concerned about a deterioration of his play. But skilled played like Kane or Hossa, I believe, would make a successful transition.

It really depends on the player. It really helps to be a good stickhandler. I believe those types of players would have a much easier time transitioning.

That's not to say I think it's automatic. If someone decided to play a winger on their off-wing in the ATD, without any proven success of it in real life, I'd have to make a negative adjustment for that, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable.
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It has a lot more to do with style than skill. There are significant advantages and disadvantages to playing on your off wing, and it has little to do with puck handling ability.
 
jarek said:
Can you name specific examples?
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I'll give an example for defencemen being unable to switch.

The Ottawa Senators lost their #2 RD to free agency in the summer of 2013. In one of the more inexplicable recent decisions, they decided not to bring in an RD to replace him. They promoted from within by moving the #3 LD from the previous year to the right side of the second pairing, creating a pairing of two LHS defencemen with no NHL experience at the right side.

The result was an absolute disaster. Through the first 10 games of the season, the second pairing was visibly overwhelmed, and had something like 40 shots against/60 minutes when the next worst pairing in the league had 35 SA/60. The Sens quickly cycled through every left handed defencemen on the team and found none of them could play the right side against NHL competition. They ended up rushing their top prospect from the AHL to their second pairing before he was ready because they had no other options.

One of those Ottawa defencemen who was tried and found wanting on the right side has been drafted in the ATD before. He has never been able to play the right side against NHL competition, let alone ATD competition.
 
jarek said:
So what you're saying is, they aren't sure if it would actually work? You just said they haven't tried it.

If Daniel Winnik plays on his off side, I'd be concerned about a deterioration of his play. But skilled played like Kane or Hossa, I believe, would make a successful transition.

It really depends on the player. It really helps to be a good stickhandler. I believe those types of players would have a much easier time transitioning.

That's not to say I think it's automatic. If someone decided to play a winger on their off-wing in the ATD, without any proven success of it in real life, I'd have to make a negative adjustment for that, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable.
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This is the complete opposite of what you said...you said you would have no issue...making a negative adjustment is having an issue
 
Dreakmur said:
It has a lot more to do with style than skill. There are significant advantages and disadvantages to playing on your off wing, and it has little to do with puck handling ability.
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Can you elaborate?

Hawkey Town 18 said:
This is the complete opposite of what you said...you said you would have no issue...making a negative adjustment is having an issue
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I wouldn't say that's a complete opposite. This is entirely a matter of perspective. Making a small negative adjustment is hardly having an "issue" with the idea.

But we are largely dealing with semantics at this point. My position on the matter is as I described above.

overpass said:
I'll give an example for defencemen being unable to switch.

The Ottawa Senators lost their #2 RD to free agency in the summer of 2013. In one of the more inexplicable recent decisions, they decided not to bring in an RD to replace him. They promoted from within by moving the #3 LD from the previous year to the right side of the second pairing, creating a pairing of two LHS defencemen with no NHL experience at the right side.

The result was an absolute disaster. Through the first 10 games of the season, the second pairing was visibly overwhelmed, and had something like 40 shots against/60 minutes when the next worst pairing in the league had 35 SA/60. The Sens quickly cycled through every left handed defencemen on the team and found none of them could play the right side against NHL competition. They ended up rushing their top prospect from the AHL to their second pairing before he was ready because they had no other options.

One of those Ottawa defencemen who was tried and found wanting on the right side has been drafted in the ATD before. He has never been able to play the right side against NHL competition, let alone ATD competition.
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Well, this is a compelling case against these particular players. I do not believe this phenomenon can be attributed to every single player.
 
jarek said:
Can you elaborate?
I wouldn't say that's a complete opposite. This is entirely a matter of perspective. Making a small negative adjustment is hardly having an "issue" with the idea.

But we are largely dealing with semantics at this point. My position on the matter is as I described above.
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What issue do you think someone would have other than making be a negative adjustment?
 
Looks like Iceman will be skipped at 3:56 AM EST. I'm planning to be around for another hour at most.
 
Hilariously I tried to trade up with most GMs ahead of me and turns out all my players are still available.

Stockholm selects Fred "Bun" Cook

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Iceman said:
Stockholm selects Fred "Bun" Cook

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How quaint.

I wanted to have Dwight announce our next pick to officially welcome him back to the ATD. I have a list for broad, so if monster_bertuzzi is around, I'll go ahead and make the selections. Otherwise, I'll wait.
 
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It appears MB is around so here goes.

The Austons select goaltender Roy Worters.

As our team figures to be one of the weaker ones on defense, at least in the top-3, Worters seemed like a perfect fit, having thrived in front of similarly weaker teams defensively. His teams generally weren't very good at all, but that shouldn't be an issue with the top-6 the Austons possess.

broad list picks Woody Dumart, LW.
 
Millionares select Daniel Heatley.

The 6'3'' 215 pounder is one of the best offensive players remaining in the draft with a 7-year VSx of 81.5, and obviously were going to ask him to play RW for us this season.
 
jarek said:
Had him last year. I really feel he's underappreciated.
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It's funny how many wingers are drafted before their centermen who were considered better than them! (maybe it's a product of positioning: center is sooooooooooooo deeep in talent).
 
I'll select Red Horner, D. Continuing with my trend of picking D who can skate and help transition the puck up ice. Also, Horner can aid in the physicality department for my 2nd FW line.
 
I missed Dumart getting taken last night. I really thought he'd make a good defensive conscience and forechecker for Malkin. On the Johnson pick at 161, I even briefly considered Dumart. Ultimately I decided he was more replaceable than a couple of other guys I wanted. I would have definitely taken him at 240, but I didn't seriously expect him to last that long. I was surprised he suddenly fell 15 picks lower than he had in any of the last ten drafts.
 
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