At this rate, we're going to miss the playoffs...

[ADifferentTim]

Kings aren't in a bad position, yet. They're 1 point behind a 3 way tie for second place, more like 3rd place if Vancouver decides to go on a tear. Obviously relying on the rest of the division to tank is risky/stupid for playoff hopes. Hopefully the line up stabilizes. And the 70's kids need to step up their production.

It's senselessly stupid to overdepend on the rest of the division for a spot; I say, earn it. If the kids can play NHL-level hockey, then play!

Watching,Brown,Lewis,King,Richards do their underwhelming thing has me wishing the Kings would make a deal.Lombardi has many decisions to make for 2015-16 and this year and its clouding his mind!I'd look at who's producing and who isn't and pull the trigger and please trade that bum Lewis he's awful!

Bringing up a youth corps with pre-built and already existing chemistry helps. Just look at how Tyler and Tanner thrive together, as a case in point.

Another thing, the Stars are in position to take a playoff spot.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Stat/analytics guys. There might be merit in saying performances are random, but when it trends as heavily as the Kings do I think mentally they start buying into struggling on the road.

Gotcha.

Yeah I buy that idea in general--small differences are negligible--but when there's a LARGE difference something is up. I think we all agree that the home record will trend down a bit but hopefully the road record recovers a bit to compensate.

Still find it funny that we're totally within striking distance of not only the playoffs but our 100pt target.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

And personally, in regards to the D--if Voynov is indeed done in the NHL, I'm thinking DL DOESN'T chase a rental--I think he chases a big fish for our second pairing. Think Byfuglien or Myers big.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

And personally, in regards to the D--if Voynov is indeed done in the NHL, I'm thinking DL DOESN'T chase a rental--I think he chases a big fish for our second pairing. Think Byfuglien or Myers big.

I don't know if he'd pay the price tag of a big buff or Myers, but I think he'd pay the Yandle price. It will still be high but not as high as the other 2 guys.

And all this time as Kings fans, we were thinking that we would be okay only losing one top4 Dman(Regehr) in the offseason and now it will probably be 2 guys.

P.S. I love your new avatar BD!

 

[kingsfan]

Is it ? They found a recipe for success and its working
And I didnt mean they are playing poorly intentionally, I meant they dont give 100% until is necessary and they will go on something like 10 0 0 streak if it will be necessary. Thats how good of a team the Kings are. They showed us this time and time again.

Yes, yes it is. Really dumb. And if you don't mean they are playing poorly intentionally then don't say you think they are playing poorly intentionally.

What can I say, I have high expectations. I want this team to win a third and become a dynasty. If LA was on top of the division or conference, I wouldn't even think about saying something like that. Currently, we're in 5th place in our division and out of the playoff picture. I don't think this is a time to carry over a continued celebration from last year. They need to start over with whatever hole they dug themselves in. I think they may very well lose the present by living in the past. They need to hit the reset button and act like it's a new season.

To be the man, you gotta beat the man. And unfortunately, lots of teams are beating us right now.

In each of 2012, 2013 and 2014 the Kings have had stretches where they did poorly. We all thought they would miss the playoffs in 2012. That thought made a certain former poster famous for going as far as to make a thread declaring their playoff hopes dead. A good chunk of this board wrote them off in 2013 before the season really got going when Mitchell and Greene were both hurt. In 2014, we couldn't score in the red light district of Amsterdam. We didn't even have home ice to start the playoffs each of those years. Yet we have two cup rings and three Conference finals berths to show for them.

Right now, we are the man, so enjoy it.

If this guy ain't worried, neither am I

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't know if he'd pay the price tag of a big buff or Myers, but I think he'd pay the Yandle price. It will still be high but not as high as the other 2 guys.

And all this time as Kings fans, we were thinking that we would be okay only losing one top4 Dman(Regehr) in the offseason and now it will probably be 2 guys.

P.S. I love your new avatar BD!

I just say those two because we know how much these guys value size, plus they're righties, mobile, and signed to term. How scared would opponents be of a Regehr/Byfuglien 2nd pairing? But DL allegedly loves yandle too so who knows?

and thanks to RP for the avatar

Yes, yes it is. Really dumb. And if you don't mean they are playing poorly intentionally then don't say you think they are playing poorly intentionally.



In each of 2012, 2013 and 2014 the Kings have had stretches where they did poorly. We all thought they would miss the playoffs in 2012. That thought made a certain former poster famous for going as far as to make a thread declaring their playoff hopes dead. A good chunk of this board wrote them off in 2013 before the season really got going when Mitchell and Greene were both hurt. In 2014, we couldn't score in the red light district of Amsterdam. We didn't even have home ice to start the playoffs each of those years. Yet we have two cup rings and three Conference finals berths to show for them.

Right now, we are the man, so enjoy it.

If this guy ain't worried, neither am I

I agree. Totally.

But for all we know DL is behind closed doors with a bottle of Blue Label throwing darts at boxes on a presentation board

 

[tsanuri]

But for all we know DL is behind closed doors with a bottle of Blue Label throwing darts at boxes on a presentation board

I would say more likely throwing darts at the faces of some of our top players while screaming.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would say more likely throwing darts at the faces of some of our top players while screaming.

Looking at Mike Richards like

 

[Reclamation Project]

 

[TopT]

Yes, yes it is. Really dumb. And if you don't mean they are playing poorly intentionally then don't say you think they are playing

Who are you to decide what is dumb ?
And where did I say they are playing poorly intentionally ?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Who are you to decide what is dumb ?
And where did I say they are playing poorly intentionally ?

1. it's an opinion based on the idea that a team is essentially tanking the season. I'ts not smart for a number of reasons, aka dumb to most people.

2. here:

Man, these are the stanley cup champs that lost to the Oilers; they are playing well below their capabilities and I for one think is intentional; they like to be seen as underdogs in PO and also avoid injuries. Kopis PPG season end will be the same as always.

 

[kingsfan]

Who are you to decide what is dumb ?
And where did I say they are playing poorly intentionally ?

Man, these are the stanley cup champs that lost to the Oilers; they are playing well below their capabilities and I for one think is intentional; they like to be seen as underdogs in PO and also avoid injuries. Kopis PPG season end will be the same as always.

As for saying its dumb, anyone who honestly thinks a group of 23 National Hockey League players on the defending Stanley Cup champions, many of whom have a life long history of playing on elite levels and winning at those levels is intentionally playing poorly should seriously reevaluate their thought process. There may be the odd player, such as Dustin Penner, who gets to this level and stays there while taking games off, but to assert an entire team is doing that is absurd, nevermind a team that is a cup winning team like this one.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm pretty sure that Sutter and the Kings would rather establish/lock in a playoff seed by late March and then coast. It's a bad idea to coast in December. I think that outside of maybe Quick, and a select few that this team is fatigued mentally.

 

[TopT]

1. it's an opinion based on the idea that a team is essentially tanking the season. I'ts not smart for a number of reasons, aka dumb to most people.

2. here:

Tanking ? Really ?
Will you make a poll if its dumb, include the SC as a final result ?
There is a thread on the main board about this.

About the playing poorly intentionally and playing bellow capabilities intentionally;
Its not the same thing, is it ;
Teams can play bellow their capabilities ( not give 100%) and still play OK.

 

[kingsfan]

I'm pretty sure that Sutter and the Kings would rather establish/lock in a playoff seed by late March and then coast. It's a bad idea to coast in December. I think that outside of maybe Quick, and a select few that this team is fatigued mentally.

Which is a very possible issue. Cup champs tell you its a hard thing to repeat, mentally and physically. And this team played 26 playoff games last year and has played 64 playoff games the last three seasons. That's nearly a full season more than some other teams.

 

[DonKingKong]

I don't think we are playing poorly intentionally, I just think we realize that if we spend all of our efforts every night that we will end up like most every other team that wins the Presidents trophy or plays for it and that is usually sitting at home watching the finals. We are right about at the half way point and IF we can pick up 3 more points during our crummy struggling first half we end up with 47 points in 42 games. We ALWAYS have better second half's to our season then the first so I am not worried at all about our ability to make the playoffs and I am not worried about our ability to take our games to another level when we get there. I am worried about the manner in which we are playing though. I see allot of guys straying away from our system and while there are lots of reasons for it including Voynov and our D being out I still think we have gotten lazy as a team and I hope and believe that we will pull it all together before the playoffs hit or we could see an early summer.

 

[TopT]

As for saying its dumb, anyone who honestly thinks a group of 23 National Hockey League players on the defending Stanley Cup champions, many of whom have a life long history of playing on elite levels and winning at those levels is intentionally playing poorly should seriously reevaluate their thought process. There may be the odd player, such as Dustin Penner, who gets to this level and stays there while taking games off, but to assert an entire team is doing that is absurd, nevermind a team that is a cup winning team like this one.

and then lose to Oilers while playing 100%. Strange isn it.
If you havent seen it yet,, there is a thread on the main board about this. People kind off, dont share youre opinion there.

 

[kingsfan]

and then lose to Oilers while playing 100%. Strange isn it.
If you havent seen it yet,, there is a thread on the main board about this. People kind off, dont share youre opinion there.

And a Stanely Cup winning team has never, ever, in the history of the NHL, lost to a team at the botton of the standings? Ever?

And if they don't in THAT thread, fine. We aren't in THAT thread are we? If you want to agree with people in that thread wouldn't it make sense to post in that thread?

 

[TopT]

And a Stanely Cup winning team has never, ever, in the history of the NHL, lost to a team at the botton of the standings? Ever?

And if they don't in THAT thread, fine. We aren't in THAT thread are we? If you want to agree with people in that thread wouldn't it make sense to post in that thread?

Didnt know I can only post in threads where I agree with people.
BTW; you dont have to use big words like dumb and absurd if you dont agree. It doesnt help

 

[deeshamrock]

I'm pretty sure that Sutter and the Kings would rather establish/lock in a playoff seed by late March and then coast. It's a bad idea to coast in December. I think that outside of maybe Quick, and a select few that this team is fatigued mentally.

Which is pretty common in this sport. It's a huge thing to try to overcome. esp since this team has played more hockey than any other team over the last 3 years. And I heard one of the analysts (ex player) in the Winter Classic pregame mention how hard that is, much harder than the physical challenge. The more you try to break out of it, the harder it gets. He said some nights it was like treading quicksand.
And the fact that they have had little stability line wise is not good either. Some of these loses are on Sutter. For example, the Carter line started off strong in Oct, due to that 6 game home stand and Sutter giving them soft minutes to gain the edge ice wise and it worked, goals came and their confidence rose as a result. Then they went on the road and didn't have that break, the other coach made sure to put the top units agasinst them and they faced adversity. Instead of letting young players, esp Pearson in his first full season learn to adjust his game, adjust their game as a line and battle thru it, over come it, he split them up by Haloween and they only had 2 games since then (not counting the last game where they were reunited at the end) where they played together. That's esp hard on a young guy like PEarson whose confidence took a hit. Bouncing from line to line, isn't good. But Sutter isn't comfortable with young players and screwed up TT last year.
The blender doesn't work and the longer he keeps blending, the more games they'll lose.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Tanking ? Really ?
Will you make a poll if its dumb, include the SC as a final result ?
There is a thread on the main board about this.

About the playing poorly intentionally and playing bellow capabilities intentionally;
Its not the same thing, is it ;
Teams can play bellow their capabilities ( not give 100%) and still play OK.

Maybe you're just not saying what you're thinking/meaning then. I think most anyone on this board will agree that the regular season Kings and the playoffs Kings are almost two different teams. "playing poorly intentionally" is a far cry different from not playing up to your capabilities. Personally, I don't think they coast, but it's clear they're not as physically or mentally engaged as they are when the games ratchet up in importance. That doesn't mean they're playing poorly intentionally; in fact, most of our crap games recently, we've STILL dictated the flow of play, just aren't getting to the dirty areas or hitting like madmen. "Playing poorly intentionally" would look VERY different, imo.

And really, most people even on the main board, where many teams actually have a vested interest in their team doing poorly for a great draft pick, agree that teams don't actually tank. Even ****** players on ****** teams have too much pride to just roll over and die. The organization, though, can field a godawful roster. That's most of the premise that's going on there as well, so using that population as a sample size for what you're arguing isn't only a bad comparison, it also STILL defies the point you're trying to make (or failing to vocalize properly).

Edit: I've even played on tournament teams where it would benefit us to lose a meaningless pool game for a more favorable schedule and even ******, over-the-hill beer leaguers like us have too much pride to throw a game. Can only imagine the competitive mentality of a pro.

 

[kingsfan]

Didnt know I can only post in threads where I agree with people.
BTW; you dont have to use big words like dumb and absurd if you dont agree. It doesnt help

You can post wherever you wish. please keep posting here and all threads. Usually I agree with your line of thinking. However if you are expecting or even hoping for people in this thread to share the same line of thinking from another thread, you will be disappointed and as such feel free to go post there to simplify things for you.

As far as word use, I just wanted to make sure you could follow along. I didn't want you to get lost following my words since apparently you can't even keep track of what you post yourself.

 

[TopT]

You can post wherever you wish. please keep posting here and all threads. Usually I agree with your line of thinking. However if you are expecting or even hoping for people in this thread to share the same line of thinking from another thread, you will be disappointed and as such feel free to go post there to simplify things for you.

As far as word use, I just wanted to make sure you could follow along. I didn't want you to get lost following my words since apparently you can't even keep track of what you post yourself.

Oh man for the last time
playing bellow their capabilities = not play at 100% but not the same as playing poorly

I am guessing you had a lousy day today.

Thats s it for me here, 2 more wins and we are right on track.

 

[damacles1156]

Getting at least 12 points out of this coming home stand, would probably cement a playoff spot.

The Kings would have to go on an epic meltdown losing streak, to piss away that kind of home stand performance.

10 to 12 points should be the goal this next seven games.

 

[kingsfan]

Oh man for the last time
playing bellow their capabilities = not play at 100% but not the same as playing poorly

I am guessing you had a lousy day today.

Thats s it for me here, 2 more wins and we are right on track.

I've actually had a wonderful day, thanks for your thoughts though. Here's hoping you much success tomorrow and in the future in being able to actually type what you mean for all of our benefit. It'll make for an even better day.