Friedman: At least one team has met Kucherov about an offer sheet

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Montreal could do it if they moved Emelin and Desharnais (combined 7.6m caphit).
Emelin, Desharnais and a 2nd anyone??? :p

The compensation (draft picks) it would take for a team to accept Emelin and Desharnais would then prevent Montreal from being able to do an offersheet.

 

[ltpato]

Montreal could do it if they moved Emelin and Desharnais (combined 7.6m caphit).
Emelin, Desharnais and a 2nd anyone??? :p

And what's going to happen when you have to re-sign Price, Galchenyuk, Patches, Radulov,...?

 

[DFC]

Would tampa trade his rights instead of taking the picks?

I don't think a team would be willing to trade players that would equate to four 1sts for Kucherov, so no. We can't take on money, so four 1sts would be a pretty good shot at keeping the rest of the core together for as long as possible while adding top-end talent on ELC contracts.

It would be bad for the league as a whole for TB (Yzerman/Al Murray) to make eight 1st round picks in the next four years. Our drafts haven't exactly been going poorly under this regime.

 

[CanadienShark]

Teams can negotiate with other teams players now?

When said players are free agents, yes.

 

[DopeyFish]

My rough math suggests it would be incredibly difficult for Tampa to match an $8+ mil offersheet without absolutely wrecking the team next offseason

 

[DFC]

My rough math suggests it would be incredibly difficult for Tampa to match an $8+ mil offersheet without absolutely wrecking the team next offseason

As has been discussed, we probably wouldn't want to. As much as I love Kuch, he's not worth four 1sts. The only player on our team worth that is Hedman.

 

[MinJaBen]

If I was GM Ron Francis and was contemplating Kucherov, I'd threaten to offer sheet him for $8m for five years and then offer Tampa a package of our first next year with Fleury and Teravainen instead as a trade. That gives them the choice of matching but being in deep cap trouble, taking 2 1sts a second and a third as compensation, or the players and pick which has a value of about three 1sts.

 

[DopeyFish]

As has been discussed, we probably wouldn't want to. As much as I love Kuch, he's not worth four 1sts. The only player on our team worth that is Hedman.

you'd be looking at an offer sheet below that level

high salary, short term

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Hall-Henrique-Kucherov would be cool

 

[Hisch13r]

you'd be looking at an offer sheet below that level

high salary, short term

I doubt he signs a short term deal

 

[Avs44]

you'd be looking at an offer sheet below that level

high salary, short term

This right here. I imagine it would look like something similiar, in terms of structure, to what the Flames pulled with O'Reilly. Two years only, average of 6 million which was far higher than the Avs wanted to go, and set up in such a way that the QO would be 6.5 million. An offer-sheet designed purely to get the player. I doubt any team is going to offer-sheet Kucherov for 7 years resulting in a calculated average, for offer-sheet purposes, of over 9.3 million and costing four first rounders. A short term offer-sheet, keeping Kucherov an RFA afterward, somewhere between 7.5 - 9.3 million in compensation would be the way to go. Kucherov is probably worth two firsts, a second, and a third, and it would really hurt Tampa to match that.

 

[thethinglonger]

Technically we do if Clarkson really does end up on LTIR. That said, it certainly would be a bit absurd, especially given all the young guys we'll have to resign over the next few years.

The Devils do seem the most likely to me, presuming they somehow reacquire that 3rd from the Canes (or if it turns out that they retain it in the end - it's conditional, but with an unknown condition).

This is a very interesting point. There is really no information out there on whether or not the condition was actually met...in true Lou fashion

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

This is a very interesting point. There is really no information out there on whether or not the condition was actually met...in true Lou fashion

As I stated earlier, Mike Smith (Canes employee / web director) on Twitter stated a while back that the Canes definitely have that pick. Also, I heard Francis a couple weeks ago on the radio and he said they have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds next year (which can only mean Canes 3 picks, NYR 2nd, and NJ 3rd). Based on that, I'm fairly certain the Canes have the pick.

And I highly doubt the Canes would allow NJ to reacquire it, just to allow NJ to possibly get Kucherov.

 

[Trapper]

I wouldn't put anything past Arizona. They seem to be acquiring everything. They don't need picks:
Strome,Dvorak,Domi,Crouse,OEL,Chychrun,etc. etc.

 

[tjs*]

I don't think a team would be willing to trade players that would equate to four 1sts for Kucherov, so no. We can't take on money, so four 1sts would be a pretty good shot at keeping the rest of the core together for as long as possible while adding top-end talent on ELC contracts.

It would be bad for the league as a whole for TB (Yzerman/Al Murray) to make eight 1st round picks in the next four years. Our drafts haven't exactly been going poorly under this regime.

Except our Cup window is open now and Kucherov is easily our best forward in the postseason, while the quality of those firsts is unknown and their value delayed. Kucherov would put a lot of teams in the playoffs and a late first rounder typically equates to about a middle six forward at best unless you get lucky and snag an outlier. Would you trade Kuch for four middle six forwards?

Yeah, we might get lucky with a pick or be able to package a couple of them for something useful, but the odds of getting back anything close to Kucherov's value are quite low, and that doesn't even get into the fact that we won't see that return until the best years of our current team have passed. Most likely we'll be just good enough to make the playoffs every year but not good enough to win the whole thing. So I think even at four firsts we match unless the price is simply too high (>$7.5M.)

 

[mouser]

If you don't have your own pick that would be required for an offer sheet you can still offer sheet as long as you have that pick the following year. There was a link to a ruling about offer sheet compensation sliding to the following year in an attempt to make offer sheets more usable in one of the threads about Lindholm/Risto/Jones over the summer. So if Jersey really did want to make an offer they could with their current picks iirc.

That exception/slide only covered compensatory picks that teams owed for signing away an exec or coach from another team. The PA argued the new compensatory picks could reduce the possibility of offer sheets, so the NHL agreed in a side deal that those picks could slide.

The NHL has since dispensed with the whole compensatory pick system for signing other team employees because it was a dumb concept from the start.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Unless this offer sheet meeting happened a while ago, there are very few teams who have the cap space needed to tender an offer sheet that would cause enough trouble for Tampa Bay and have high enough compensation for them not to match.

The only teams with enough cap space who aren't currently in contract disputes of their own would be EDM/CAR/NJ. FLA has enough, but they have a lot of money going on the books next season with all their new extensions.

NSH would be a maybe. But they'd have to both move someone to create some more space, as well as extend Ryan Johansen pre-emptively to safeguard him from any sort of retaliation. (Although TB probably wouldn't have the space to do that).

 

[McJC]

Hall-Henrique-Kucherov would be cool

reincarnation of kovy and parise

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

if GM's arent meeting with availible top nhl talents I question why they are gm's

 

[Seanaconda]

I doubt he signs a short term deal

Why he's only 23 he would probably be able to sign a long term deal for more money after.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

If I was a team I would give him a contract for 7.3M(just before it hits that next tier where it's 2 first round picks) a year and have the contract end when he becomes a UFA

Of course - then you'd be trading 2 1st, a 2nd & a 3rd for 3 years of NK and then he's a UFA. Still a relative bargain, but you'd have to be a serious contender, and what serious contender has $7+M of cap space?

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

im actually shocked at the amount of people who are unaware of what an RFA actually means and what they can do.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

A 5 year 7.5 million offer sheet by NJ/CAR would put TB in a lot of trouble and Kucherov would probably no doubt accept that. it takes him right to free agency

 

[McDavyCrockett]

It would be amazing if Florida did it- now that Huberdeau is gonna miss half the year. What better way to screw your rival than that? LOL.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I wouldn't trade four 1st round picks for anyone in the league.

MAYBE McDavid. thats it.

That shouldn't be a maybe