Friedman: At least one team has met Kucherov about an offer sheet

[Dr Quincy]

Teams can negotiate with other teams players now?

Now? I'm assuming you don't know who this guy is:

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Devils could still trade back for there 3rd. It's not impossible

ya I'm sure the Canes would be willing to help out a divisional foe

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

This is a very tricky situation, seeing how Tamp are currently at their peak of contendership. So you'd think that they'd do anything to keep Kucherov, which may lead to them matching an offer sheet that will make them clear cap now, and put them in an even stickier situation next offseason.

Or I guess they could take the picks, and use them to trade for another guy?

 

[Joel Ward]

I don't see why he'd sign a deal that would only cost a team 2 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd. More likely it would be 4 1st round picks. Remember, the rule of how the salary is calculated is: "determined by dividing such compensation by the lesser of the number of years of the Offer Sheet or five"

So if a team offers him $7M for 7 years, that's $49M / 5 = $9.8M..which would mean 4 1st round picks.

Yeah that really throws a wrench into things IMO. A team would really need to feel confident in themselves to give up 4 first rounders and pay a player that much.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

ya I'm sure the Canes would be willing to help out a divisional foe

Offer your second for your third back. Their hands would be tied.

That would probably be the funniest trade in a while.

NJ trades 2017 2nd round pick to Carolina for their 2017 3rd round pick.

Quite honestly, if you were intending to offer sheet him, that third round pick is worth considerably more than the second round pick.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Yup New Jersey add's Kuch to their lineup with Taylor Hall.

Offering $7.5m per x whatever, give up a 1st/2nd/3rd they got a lot of those the next two drafts.

They probably tried to with TB but nothing came of it, so now they go the next logical route.

New Jersey might have to trade with Carolina to get that 3rd round back. Or they offer enough to give up 4 1st rnd.

A team must have all their own draft picks that would be involved in order to make a offer sheet.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Offer your second for your third back. Their hands would be tied.

How does that help? The offersheet of that compensation is 2 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd? Giving up their 2nd for their 3rd still prevents them from doing an offersheet. Now, if they are giving up Boston's 2nd, that's a different story.

Still, why would Francis do that? Moving up 30 spots in a draft but then allowing your division rival to add Kucherov? Seems like he'd turn that down in a heartbeat.

I honestly think that any offersheet is going to cost 4 firsts though.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Kucherov up there with Hall would be pretty sweet for the Devils, If i were Shero i would gladly take that risk Kucherov would be worth losing those picks.

Does Hall even mess with equally talented players as him? Especially Russian ones. All those rumors about him and Yakupov...

 

[Irishguy42]

That rangers? Wouldn't feel the same if they had a 1st round pick next year

Rangers don't have the picks required in order to do an offer sheet between $5,632,847 and $9,388,080. Any offer sheet for Kucherov is going to fall within this range. Count on it.

So no, I'd highly doubt the Rangers would be in on this.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Offer your second for your third back. Their hands would be tied.

That would probably be the funniest trade in a while.

NJ trades 2017 2nd round pick to Carolina for their 2017 3rd round pick.

Quite honestly, if you were intending to offer sheet him, that third round pick is worth considerably more than the second round pick.

The Leafs dealt a 2nd and 3rd for a 2nd to get their own pick back from Chicago just to potentially threaten an offer sheet on Kessel. Of course, they ended up dealing the pick to Boston anyway. The genius of Brian Burke.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The Leafs dealt a 2nd and 3rd for a 2nd to get their own pick back from Chicago just to potentially threaten an offer sheet on Kessel. Of course, they ended up dealing the pick to Boston anyway. The genius of Brian Burke.

But Leafs and Hawks aren't in the same division so it's a much different situation than this one.

Again though, I think any offersheet Kucherov would sign would require four 1sts going the other way.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Rangers don't have the picks required in order to do an offer sheet between $5,632,847 and $9,388,080. Any offer sheet for Kucherov is going to fall within this range. Count on it.

So no, I'd highly doubt the Rangers would be in on this.

Think its divided by 5 if he signs for more than 5 years? Say 7*7=49. 49/5=9,8. Thats 4 firsts isnt it?

 

[Bear12Good]

Montreal maybe?)

Max-Galch-Kuсh)

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I hope it isn't Columbus. This team has had and will have lots of good RFA's in the near future. I want them to take the high road with regards to offer sheets.

Columbus doesn't have the cap space, To offer sheet Kucherov $6.5 million or so. So i doubt it's the Blue Jackets.

I really doubt it's Columbus considering the log jam of top-6 wingers and high contracts they have, but putting David Clarkson on LTIR would give them enough space to sign Kucherov.

Kucherov-Dubinksy-Atkinson
Hartnell-Wennberg-Saad
Foligno-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Calvert-Karlsson-Gagner

This would be a quite nice forward group though. They have the prospect pool to afford to lose picks, but it wouldn't make sense expansion-draft wise. Maybe a trade between the two teams could work out, sort of like the Saad trade with Chicago? I'm not really sure what Tampa's needs are, but any one of Jack Johnson, Scott Hartnell (retracted NMC though), Cam Atkinson, or Nick Foligno - with appropriate pluses in picks/prospects not named Werenski or Dubois - would be on the table.

 

[DFC]

If anyone wants to actually LAND Kucherov, it's going to cost four 1st rounders.

 

[mouser]

Related question: Every article I've found says the 2017 NJ 3rd rounder to Carolina is a conditional pick.

Does anyone know what the condition is?

 

[Super Cake]

Montreal maybe?)

Max-Galch-Kuсh)

Cap space?

 

[MXD]

Educated ramblings from perusing the thread...

1 - Wow, Curt Flood was ugly.
2 - Montreal doesn't have capspace unless they have a few deals lined up.
3 - Surprised there was no mention of Nashville and Florida. If there's one team who can afford giving pick, it's Nashville. The problem is, I'm not QUITE sure they cannot come up with an offer TB wouldn't match, unless they deal Colin Wilson or someone like that. Florida isn't quite as strong as Nashville, but shouldn't be worried by the idea of sending first rounders.

 

[Irishguy42]

Think its divided by 5 if he signs for more than 5 years? Say 7*7=49. 49/5=9,8. Thats 4 firsts isnt it?

Correct.

The Rangers are able to do any AAV over $9.38M, but I highly highly doubt they'd do it.

This isn't the Sather team of old.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Offer your second for your third back. Their hands would be tied.

That would probably be the funniest trade in a while.

NJ trades 2017 2nd round pick to Carolina for their 2017 3rd round pick.

Quite honestly, if you were intending to offer sheet him, that third round pick is worth considerably more than the second round pick.

except the fact that we NEED that 2nd for the potential offer sheet...

 

[Joel Ward]

Out of curiosity, do the Panthers have an internal budget that would prevent them from spending to the cap? If not, they seem like they could be a dark horse team, even more so with Huberdeau out for the first several months of the season.

They have the picks to offer Kucherov 7 years, $6,705,771/year, putting pressure on their division rival to either move out a player to get under the cap and match, or lose one of their top players to a rival. Or if they chose to, they have the cap space to offer something even bigger, that would make it harder for Tampa to match, but it would obviously cost the 4 first rounders. Kuch could stay in Florida, and go to another potential contender that has tons of its core players locked up for years to come.

There resulting cap situation would look something like this.

 

[mouser]

If anyone wants to actually LAND Kucherov, it's going to cost four 1st rounders.

I would expect Tampa would be more likely to match a 6-7 year offer sheet for four 1st round picks then they would say a 4-5 year offer sheet at $8-$9m/year.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I actually think it makes a lot of sense for New Jersey.

Kucherov and Hall with Zacha centering them would make an elite Top line. Something New Jersey hasn't had in forever.

Throw in Schneider in net, and they'd just have to work on replacing Larsson(Not an easy feat though).

 

[A1LeafNation]

Vancouver

 

[Dr Quincy]

I really doubt it's Columbus considering the log jam of top-6 wingers and high contracts they have, but putting David Clarkson on LTIR would give them enough space to sign Kucherov.

Except there's the problem of the bonus cushion. Werenski, Bjorkstrand and Wennberg will likely hit some or all of their bonuses. This would reduce next year's cap by as much as 1.7m.