At 6th Overall the Red Wings Take Filip Zadina
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You mean like seeing that he had 7 shots, even though his terrible telegraphed wristers have .00001% chance of going in?
You mean like citing shot totals that didn't go in, even though his positive impact can be seen when you watch him play even if the puck doesn't go in the net?
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Yeah. Sure bud. Sure it wasn't. Keep telling yourself that too.
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No and no. Seider should absolutely not be moved to the second PP unit to get Zadina going. His place is with Larkin and Razor, where they can do the most damage. Zadina will find a way to waste every chance created for him.
I am absolutely fine with trading Zadina. So over this guy...
Now remember, these are from before he was drafted. These are comments that people said about him in the past, meaning they are not applicable to him today. I didn't agree with everything these people said, and in many cases still don't. The fact that I need to explain this ahead of time is sad, because I know you'd otherwise say that I'm projecting these comments on to him today, or that these are all somehow my personal comments or beliefs about him as a prospect.
“HIGH-END SKILLED FORWARD WITH EXCELLENT PLAYMAKING ABILITY. HE HAS VERY GOOD VISION, EXCELLENT ANTICIPATION AND EXCEPTIONAL NATURAL INSTINCTS. POSSESSES STRONG PUCK SKILLS, A QUICK, ACCURATE RELEASE, AND LOOKS TO SHOOT. HE IS COMMITTED TO PLAYING A TWO-WAY GAME.”
"Zadina has quick hands and feet, thrives in tight and small spaces and is able to get off an incredible release on a shot that is arguably the best in the draft, as his 44 goals in 57 games would attest. He’s not as big and powerful as Svechnikov or Tkachuk — relative to the other top picks, Zadina’s physical testing scores at the NHL combine were, at best, average — but his ability to make plays and score goals is as good as it gets."
"On a tools level, he’s one of the most dynamic players in the draft. Zadina skates well, with a powerful stride that eats up ice efficiently. But his value comes from his skills and shot. He has near elite grade hands, which allows him to be quite elusive. He can create as a playmaker and tends to make good decisions moving the puck, but he’s known as a trigger man, with one of the better wrist shots in the draft class. What I love about Zadina is how multi-dimensional he is. He can attack defenses by dangling through guys, he can protect pucks and drive around guys, and he can power his ways past defenders or utilize an inch of space to score from long-distance. He is a highly competitive player who gets high marks for his character and competes his butt off to win puck battles on the ice. He’s the complete package offensively and a potential difference maker on any given shift."
"Zadina was brilliant on the big stage at the top prospects game and the world juniors (which may have impacted the aforementioned second-overall chatter) and his rookie season in QMJHL merited his top prospect award and first all-star team nods. I like what Zadina offers as a primary carrier on his line, and he can create as a passer and finisher. He is a very high-end handler who can make something happen when you think a play is dead and finds seams with a quick cut or stop-up. He’s also one of the better power-play players in this class and craftily draws attention to himself to open up passing lanes."
"Filip Zadina is a dynamic offensive forward that plays a complete game. A deft and agile skater, he exhibits explosive mobility both up and down the ice. In all three zones, he proactively looks to create problems for the opposition. His awareness is indicative of his high level of hockey sense, and he knows how to make plays and scoring chances materialize. Has a goal scorer’s toolbox, complete with the individual puck skills that one comes to expect from today’s elite offensive players. The accurate release on his shot is noteworthy and is a defining aspect of his offensive capabilities. Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions; he is tenacious in pursuit of puck control and transitions up-ice naturally. All-in-all, Zadina can be categorized as both a two-way forward with a well-rounded game and a dominant offensive force."
"Zadina is a dangerous goal-scorer in the making…is a strong and balanced skater…makes plays with his feet and hands…is able to dangle with the puck through defenders in the tightest areas of the ice and create chances out of nothing…has an offensively creative mind and imagination, and isn’t shy to try whichever move comes to mind…sets his teammates up with smart passes…very good hockey sense…has an absolutely lethal shot, great release…gets himself into excellent position to get his shots off….likes to come down the wing with speed and cut to the middle for a chance, as he gets the goalie moving and opening up holes…he possesses a nifty backhand that he needs very little time and space to deposit when working around the crease…slides into board battles undetected to find and scoop up pucks to drive possession…very sneaky player who always seems to end up in a scoring position with the puck…great poise with the puck and calm under pressure…offensive dynamo…certainly has the potential to develop into a top-end player at the NHL level."
How many of these implied he's only a goal scorer? Well rounded. Two way. Complete package. Multi-dimensional. Offensive dynamo.
Was Zadina's best skillset considered to be his goal scoring as a draft eligible? 100%. Was Zadina billed exclusively as a sniper? f*** no. This whole argument of Zadina was supposed to be a goal scorer and that's it is f***ing stupid. I've argued against it for a few years now, he looks much better as a playmaker than he does a shooter. The only people that seem to have this major problem with Zadina are the ones who listened to him say he was going to fill nets and decided to hold him to it like he was running for office.
I'm not for mixing up the power play just to get Zadina going, but it's also not like our power play is killing it out there.
Steve Yzerlland
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He looks like a bust at this point its not even debatable. Guys writing paragraphs after paragraphs lol. Look at the stats. HE DOESN'T EVER SCORE. He was billed as a scorer. Pretty cut and dry shit man lol.
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I have mentioned somewhere that our both special units suck. If PP and PK were average, we would be 5+ points up in the standings.
Both Seider and Raymond have improved greatly as the season went along and the team too. Our home record is among the best in the league.
I said Zadina and Leddy, plus our PP in general. And as @Winger98 mentioned our PP is nothing to write home about. It cant be worse.
I often watch our games with the opponent's announcers. Last game vs njd they were saying exactly the things about their young players who struggled offensively. They said they have to work hard and wait patiently for offense to come. Zadina had some great defensive plays.
We can not develope all the players at the same time. Seider and Raymond have forced their way by great development nobody expected.
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Those "quotes" are pretty cherry picked to fit your lame narrative. No one would have been pleased with this pick on draft night if you saw his production thus far. Like I said it's not even debatable...
I often watch the games twice with both team's announcers.If you are from Norway, we are probably watching the same stream
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Probably one of those salary cap deals, because COVID protocol is treated the same as an injury and taking them off the roster eliminates their cap hit. They still get paid NHL salary since their "injury" occurred while playing in the NHL. Givani made full salary when he busted his hand a couple of years ago. He's also non-roster right now.
All the same, you figure they could've put Joey there instead since he has a higher salary than Givani. I think they need to maintain a roster of 20 though, otherwise I think they'd all be non-roster, lol.
Not really sure how the salary cap works when the team gets shut down, nothing in teh NHL documents about it.
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If he could actually do what he was drafted to do we wouldn't even be upset even though we needed Hughes. Him being complete garbage and Hughes looking like a future Norris candidate makes the blow that much harder...
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I went into that draft hopeful, thinking we'd come away with Hughes, Bouchard, or Boqvist, knowing we'd have defensemen with very high potential to be a top pair guy for the future.
Instead Holland drafted the one highly ranked guy I expected to be a flop but maybe had a ceiling of Gustav Nyquist. I hate being vindicated. Zadina has basically met my expectations... surpassed them even, I figured he'd be in the AHL still at this point.
Seider and Raymond are helping to soften that blow.
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Not going to lie I was excited to get Zadina and I would have picked him. It was clearly the wrong choice. But hey, whatayagonnado?
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I wanted Dobson and was surprised Zadina fell to us. Can't blame the org for jumping on the opportunity and there's still plenty of time for him to reach his potential. He has been showing steady, albeit slow, progress in his overall game (same as Ras).
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A player not scoring does not equal they suck at everything. Zadina is playing quite decent in other areas of the game. He also never sees PP1 when neither Suter or Fabbri have improved our PP at all. "Oh he didn't score again, he must have sucked!"
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I just feel like I'm gonna shut up and hope for the best. I do feel like in a contract year, it'll be decision time come the TDL. Again, hasn't had a lot of games, but he's had like four years on the team. So, that's four years working with our coaches and trainers. When he was less experienced, he actually performed better so... To me there's a question of whether he would benefit from a change of scenery.
This upcoming contract could be his last one. Or instead, like some of you say, he may break out. It's a gamble. But if his offense isn't there by the TDL, then to me, the Wings have done all they can for him - four years.
This upcoming contract could be his last one. Or instead, like some of you say, he may break out. It's a gamble. But if his offense isn't there by the TDL, then to me, the Wings have done all they can for him - four years.
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