Prospect Info: At 16th Overall the Rangers Select Brennan Othmann

[Kords]

The funniest part of that tweet is him saying "he's still got a chance, but it's dwindling". Then read some of those replies, he says if he was "a better player he would be playing in a different league." Zero context. He can hide behind his model and say it's nothing against the Rangers, but when you read what he actually has to say about the kid beyond that it's clear he's salty at all the dunking on he got for looking dumb after his initial draft charts.

Long story short, guy is as smug and insufferable as his pfp would suggest.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The funniest part of that tweet is him saying "he's still got a chance, but it's dwindling". Then read some of those replies, he says if he was "a better player he would be playing in a different league." Zero context. He can hide behind his model and say it's nothing against the Rangers, but when you read what he actually has to say about the kid beyond that it's clear he's salty at all the dunking on he got for looking dumb after his initial draft charts.

Long story short, guy is as smug and insufferable as his pfp would suggest.

The guy is a clown. This response is interesting:

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Next season will be a big litmus test for Othmann.

If we’re assuming he was just bored this past season in the OHL causing his drop in play, he should hopefully light up the AHL like his peers. And the Rangers are in good shape

If he stagnates again, then things get more dicey

 

[Synergy27]

Oh. More good news? Sweet.

 

[Off Sides]

Let him hone his game/attitude in the AHL

Enough of the prospect rushing stuff.

 

[McRanger92]

Oh well if Patrick Bacon says he’s a bust we have no choice but to believe him right fellas?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Let him hone his game/attitude in the AHL

Enough of the prospect rushing stuff.

If he has a great camp and he earned it, he makes the team. No reason to send him down to the AHL cause Rangers have players that cant move, if he actually had a great camp and won a spot in the top 9.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If he has a great camp and he earned it, he makes the team. No reason to send him down to the AHL cause Rangers have players that cant move, if he actually had a great camp and won a spot in the top 9.

Sure, if he has a GREAT camp then he should be here. But if he has a good/average camp, then he should be sent down to get 20 minutes a night, and PP time in the AHL.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I’m not saying advanced stats don’t have their place, but some of these nerds need a swirlie or a wedgie.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don’t get why everyone overreacts to these things so much. It’s obviously just a bad model that is over-interpreting Othmann’s draft year results when he was in the Swiss League. It obviously is missing important context of why he was even there in the first place and how there is a limited sample of prospects being drafted out of the Swiss league in the first place.

There’s a reason he’s posting this stuff for free on twitter. Measuring point production and comparing it to previous draft-eligible players isn’t some unique thing. Every team does it.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Othmann is a perfect candidate for the AHL.

Even if he has a good camp, which i expect, let him start there and see if he dominates for a couple months before rushing him up because hes the shiny new toy everyone needs to see and market.

And he wont have a problem with that. He's cocky/confident but he's also humble and understands the process of becoming a pro.

 

[GAGLine]

I’m not saying advanced stats don’t have their place, but some of these nerds need a swirlie or a wedgie.

NHLe is the furthest thing from advanced stats. It's literally the shallowest way to evaluate a prospect. The player scored A in league B, so he will only score X in league Y. It completely ignores all context, looks at point totals, and applies a simple ratio.

I'm not the biggest proponent of advanced stats either, but NHLe is a guy rubbing two sticks together to make fire.

 

[nyr2k2]

NHLe is the furthest thing from advanced stats. It's literally the shallowest way to evaluate a prospect. The player scored A in league B, so he will only score X in league Y. It completely ignores all context, looks at point totals, and applies a simple ratio.

I'm not the biggest proponent of advanced stats either, but NHLe is a guy rubbing two sticks together to make fire.

If anyone remembers the user Beacon who used to post here (I know many people do), this is literally exactly what he did and it drove me absolutely insane. Maybe Beacon = Patrick Bacon.

 

[GAGLine]

If anyone remembers the user Beacon who used to post here (I know many people do), this is literally exactly what he did and it drove me absolutely insane. Maybe Beacon = Patrick Bacon.

Lol. I was thinking exactly the same thing.

 

[2014nyr]

If he has a great camp and he earned it, he makes the team. No reason to send him down to the AHL cause Rangers have players that cant move, if he actually had a great camp and won a spot in the top 9.

if he outright wins a spot for sure, i think the general rule is if it's close pretty much every team will have a guy start in the ahl. personally i don't think he has much to gain from the ahl cause of his hockey iq, but playing 20 mins a night certainly wouldn't hurt him. i have a hard time seeing him winning a top 9 spot but can't rule it out, but he'd be fine on a 4th line in today's nhl, he'll play physical and forecheck which is what the game is now. if he's getting like 7 mins a night then you probably prefer to get him more ice in hfd, but if he's getting 10-12 or more there's no issue.

i'm sure he'd be the first to say he'd rather be with the nhl team playing 10 mins and practicing/learning at that level than getting more mins in hfd. if he's getting minimal ice or bouncing in and out of the lineup as the 12/13th fwd then you'd send him down for sure. i doubt they'd put him in that position though, with the exception of maybe the first 5-10 games to give him more time to win that spot or decide he's not quite ready.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

NHLe is the furthest thing from advanced stats. It's literally the shallowest way to evaluate a prospect. The player scored A in league B, so he will only score X in league Y. It completely ignores all context, looks at point totals, and applies a simple ratio.

I'm not the biggest proponent of advanced stats either, but NHLe is a guy rubbing two sticks together to make fire.

Bingo! There are so many other factors.

- ES scoring vs PP scoring
- Goal share (which accounts for the overall scoring of the team they're on)
- TOI
- Offensive vs Defensive zone starts

NONE of that is included in this NHLe.

 

[Unpredictable1]

I'm excited for this scrappy kid to join the Rangers. I have a feeling he has the potential to become a fan fave - truly enjoy the sandpaper in his game.

But I want it done the right way, if he needs time in the A, let him eat those minutes up. If he shows he's ready and wins a spot, so be it.

 

[leetch99]

I have a good friend that usually visits OHL coach Dave Cameron once in the Summer when he is back home . Cameron just recently won top OHL coach award and he coached Team Canada to a World Junior title and he had Othmann on that club . I am going to ask my friend to get us a scouting report from an honest source =Cameron on this kid . I might find nothing out.....but I will post what I do find out .

 

[Off Sides]

If he has a great camp and he earned it, he makes the team. No reason to send him down to the AHL cause Rangers have players that cant move, if he actually had a great camp and won a spot in the top 9.

Let's take that to the next step in options from there?


He is good all season, he develops into a top 6 wing.

He is not good or bad. Ends up not used as anything more than the like 10th forward, has a blah season.

He is bad. Does not play much, scratched often. Rangers sending him to the AHL is debated for weeks/months


I mean, sure there are shades of grey in all that, yet I feel like I've seen this before.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Let's take that to the next step in options from there?


He is good all season, he develops into a top 6 wing.

He is not good or bad. Ends up not used as anything more than the like 10th forward, has a blah season.

He is bad. Does not play much, scratched often. Rangers sending him to the AHL is debated for weeks/months


I mean, sure there are shades of grey in all that, yet I feel like I've seen this before.

I just want him what’s best for his career. Say for example Cuylle had top 6 minutes in the AHL and most fans put him as 4th line in the NHL which personally he should be 3rd line like prime Ryan Clowe, he has some skill with powerplay time. And I also dont want Othmann on the 4th line. He should get top 6 in Hartford and top 9 on Rangers with powerplay time. Top 9 on Rangers is not a bad thing once top 6 opens Kakko Lafy move up and that’s when Cuylle and Othmann should make Rangers.

 

[mas0764]

FWIW also I would have taken Wallstedt---not Othmann. I think Wallstedt might end up being one of the 5 best players taken out of his draft. That said I think Brennan has done well the last two seasons. His draft + ! year he scored a ton of goals for Flint. This year he adjusted his game to the more two way game that Peterborough plays and still he's their best player IMO. He's played on two WJC gold medal teams adjusting to the demands of being played up and down the lineup. He plays a hard nosed game too. Reminds me somewhat of Adam Graves and it took Graves a few years to really become a star but even before he became a big scorer he was a great teammate (kind of what you see in Sam Bennett for Florida these days)---a heart and soul player that played a hard hitting, physical game and when he needed to adapt his game he did. These are traits I see with Othmann right now and Graves wasn't the greatest skater either.

I also would have taken Wallstedt because the trade return for Shesterkin if we had Wallstedt ready to replace him would dwarf one Brennan Othmann.

The solution to this is simple:

Move one of Laf, Kreider, or Panarin to RW. Then you have Kakko and Laf in the top 6. Othmann can play on Chytil's wing on the 3rd line.

Having Laf and Kakko in the top 6. Othmann and Cuylle on the team. Chytil.

That's a good place to be in. Time to get these kids playing big spots. No more scrubs like Hunt, Vesey, Goodrow, Blais, Vatrano sapping up minutes in the top 9.

Also, no Kane. Guy needs like 6 months to recover from his surgery.

What are your thoughts on Kane on a cheap deal, to LTIR, and he is our playoff self-rental?

 

[mas0764]

Lmao this guy has bashed Othmann since day one. Please dont take anything he posts serious with his clown system that basically just takes into consideration points.

Wouldn't points be a favorable system for evaluating Othmann? I thought he scored in buckets.

 

[bhamill]

I also would have taken Wallstedt because the trade return for Shesterkin if we had Wallstedt ready to replace him would dwarf one Brennan Othmann.

On the other hand half the board would have melted down if we took a goddamned goalie with 16OA... hahahaha.
At the time I would have gone for Wallstedt too, I had no clue about Othmann. However, right now I think Othmann is EXACTLY the player this team needs most, in a few years we will know if I'm right about that. This guy could end up being an honorary Tkachuck. Not the 100 points part, but good scoring and the rest of it: compete, physicality, going to the net, agitation, disruption, big game player.

Wouldn't points be a favorable system for evaluating Othmann? I thought he scored in buckets.

That's an incomplete take. See above...

 

[mas0764]

I am certainly higher on Othmann today than I was on his draft day but if you told me the plan was to develop Wallstedt and flip Shesterkin for a haul instead of handing him a $10m+ long term contract, I'd still go with that option.

 

[bhamill]

I am certainly higher on Othmann today than I was on his draft day but if you told me the plan was to develop Wallstedt and flip Shesterkin for a haul instead of handing him a $10m+ long term contract, I'd still go with that option.

I haven't been following Wallstedt. Has he lived up to the hype (so far, I KNOW its still early)?