LeBrun: Asking price for M.A.F is 1st Rounder or 1st Round level prospect + possible mid-level pick

KrisLetAngry

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I mean if no one bites maybe its 1st + cap dump.

I could see 1st + 3rd + cap dump or 1st + goalie for fleury 50% retained.

It really depends. I think that's fair value. Or a first round pick recently picked nothing blue chip.

Curious if he gets traded or not.
 

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A first rounder for a 37-year old Fleury seems exorbitant. He's not even having a great season or anything. If he's traded, I think Chicago will have to settle for a 2nd rounder.
 

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A first rounder for a 37-year old Fleury seems exorbitant. He's not even having a great season or anything. If he's traded, I think Chicago will have to settle for a 2nd rounder.

No idea on what he returns and what is fair at the deadline when there are many circumstantial factors at play is ignored by many fans. He's the best goalie available even at age 37.
 

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That'd be some savvy management by the Blackhawks, bringing in the reigning Vezina winner essentially for free then flipping him for a 1st+ on a down year.
 

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No idea on what he returns and what is fair at the deadline when there are many circumstantial factors at play is ignored by many fans. He's the best goalie available even at age 37.

When's the last time a team traded a first rounder for a goalie at the deadline? I'm not being condescending; I legitimately don't remember.
 

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When's the last time a team traded a first rounder for a goalie at the deadline? I'm not being condescending; I legitimately don't remember.

When was the last time a team traded a 1st for Savard type on D? Circumstance changes year to year and I've been surprised before. Sellers seem to have a very high price and Buyers are trying to buy very low. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

This is not about "value" or what he is "worth". This is about what it takes to get the guy on your target list and outbid the other team who also have them on their target. Reality
 

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That'd be some savvy management by the Blackhawks, bringing in the reigning Vezina winner essentially for free then flipping him for a 1st+ on a down year.

It's more circumstantial than the Blackhawks being brilliant managers. Fleury controls his faith and not many had the cap space to fit him in. Fleury is likely being tired of being moved but said yes to the Blackhawks which is why they were able to get him for free. Time changes things and now Fleury is the best goalie available where several teams could use him for the playoffs.
 

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When's the last time a team traded a first rounder for a goalie at the deadline? I'm not being condescending; I legitimately don't remember.
The past and or historical cost doesn't matter. What matters is the price teams will pay in a bidding war and you have contenders like Vegas, Colorado, Toronto and Washington who all appear DESPERATE.
 

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First round pick to watch Fleury yet again go wandering around the ice in the playoffs, cough up the puck for a goal against, and proceed to have another classic Fleury playoff meltdown after?

No thanks.
 
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Can't really see Chicago getting a 1st rounder+ in any deal for Fleury. There's the obvious concern about which teams actually need a starting goalie and can fit his cap hit. There's also got to be concerns about Fleury wanting to go to a team that would be willing to pay close to this price. He has a 10 team no trade list that he submits which can go a long way in controlling where he winds up. There were also concerns about whether or not Fleury would even play in Chicago after Vegas traded him - not sure why there wouldn't be a similar concern if he were to somehow get dealt to a team he really didn't want to go to. In other words, Fleury should have a ton of say in where he winds up if he does agree to get dealt, which will limit Chicago's options and drive down his price.
 

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First round pick to watch Fleury yet again go wandering around the ice in the playoffs, cough up the puck for a goal against, and proceed to have another classic Fleury playoff meltdown after?

No thanks.
Fleury's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

I will say he's become more composed and consistent in his late years, doesn't quite have the same generational ability but he looks to have adapted.
 

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I think MAF still has the gas to go on one more run so I'm less concerned with his current season stats behind that awful Chicago team. Holland rarely, if ever has traded his 1st rd pick before but it would be on brand for him to do it for a 37 year old goalie from Chicago. I'd probably be okay with it too if Smith is going back the other way lol
 
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A couple things as a Hawks fan:

1. His save %....you do realize the D he is playing behind and the quality of shots? Apples to oranges. And he started poorly with Colliton as coach the first 10 games of the season as well. He has been really good ever since for the most part but is overworked as we have zilch for a backup.

2. The 'honor' of taking on Mrazek (who is beyond trash) and his boat anchor of a contract off your hands for 3 yearscomes at a price. And frees you up for a G for the next few years after.

3. So they kind of are separate and combined the two in regards to the return. The cap relief for 50% retained on Flower and all of Mrazek would be a 1st or top prospect. Fleury would be a 1st or prospect as well.


What I think will happen is a top prospect and 2nd/3rd not a first. Just my thoughts. But I guess Leafs fans can just keep winning games 7-6 and see how that works in the playoffs. Maybe a DeHaan or something for help on D would be in there with a retain if that is an option for the Hawks. But it is a seller's market and if the Hawks keep him it is really no biggie I suspect as they would not want to upset future incoming players by not honoring their word.
 

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A couple things as a Hawks fan:

1. His save %....you do realize the D he is playing behind and the quality of shots? Apples to oranges. And he started poorly with Colliton as coach the first 10 games of the season as well. He has been really good ever since for the most part but is overworked as we have zilch for a backup.

2. The 'honor' of taking on Mrazek (who is beyond trash) and his boat anchor of a contract off your hands for 3 yearscomes at a price. And frees you up for a G for the next few years after.

3. So they kind of are separate and combined the two in regards to the return. The cap relief for 50% retained on Flower and all of Mrazek would be a 1st or top prospect. Fleury would be a 1st or prospect as well.


What I think will happen is a top prospect and 2nd/3rd not a first. Just my thoughts. But I guess Leafs fans can just keep winning games 7-6 and see how that works in the playoffs. Maybe a DeHaan or something for help on D would be in there with a retain if that is an option for the Hawks. But it is a seller's market and if the Hawks keep him it is really no biggie I suspect as they would not want to upset future incoming players by not honoring their word.

I wonder who has had more epic playoff meltdowns over the years, Fleury or Doobler’s Leafs? Would hate to think of what a combination of the two happening at the same time would look like.

It’s a match made in heaven.
 

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If Hagel was the base of the deal and Fleury included, I could see the 1st and a prospect as Toronto’s base.

But just for MAF? Nah, that should be out of Toronto’s price range.
 

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If Hagel was the base of the deal and Fleury included, I could see the 1st and a prospect as Toronto’s base.

But just for MAF? Nah, that should be out of Toronto’s price range.

LOL! He is on a $1.5MM deal for 2 more years. So cost controlled and a HUGE positive for the output and term with his age for a cap strapped team. That would require a lot more than you are asking for (a late 1st which has about a 40% chance of making it to NHL). That wouldn't raise the pulse as the Hawks don't have to trade him unless the offer is through the roof. Makes no sense for the Hawks.....that offer.
 
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When's the last time a team traded a first rounder for a goalie at the deadline? I'm not being condescending; I legitimately don't remember.
Without doing any research I know that Oilers trade a first for Roloson back in 2006. I’m sure it’s happened since. Maybe?
 

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Not a contender but as a Devils fan , Id make a offer on Hagel plus MAF if MAF agrees to extend . I highly doubt Fleury wants to go to an non contender but maybe he would consider it if the Devils offered him 2/3 years vs 1 year that might be offered. He seems to want security and not worry about bouncing around cities. Ideally , 2/3 years for a goalie of his age is risky ,but I dont see many options for teams looking for a good starting goalie.
Not as sexy of a move as Fleury to a contender but ???
 

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If Hagel was the base of the deal and Fleury included, I could see the 1st and a prospect as Toronto’s base.

But just for MAF? Nah, that should be out of Toronto’s price range.

How many more playoff runs do you have with Matthews and Nylander until they demand huge raises or walk in free agency? 3? Pissing a third of that away for not wanting to fix the goaltending situation just seems unwise.
 

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How many more playoff runs do you have with Matthews and Nylander until they demand huge raises or walk in free agency? 3? Pissing a third of that away for not wanting to fix the goaltending situation just seems unwise.
Well Matthews' contract would be defined as a huge contract as is. Perhaps Nylander has something larger coming, but why would informed Leafs fans limit either to three years given they're initial commitment and stated preference for Toronto?

As for fixing the goaltending situation, that's achievable with other assets going towards different, younger goalies. No disrespect to MAF, but what he represents is a chance to go beyond the first round. Because unless Dubas addresses our defense and depth at forward, there isn't a goalie in the league that's leading Toronto to the Finals.

And again, most informed Leafs fans are aware of this. The idea of MAF (certainly from posts I've provided) was to get a goalie that was available, at the right cost to us, and who had and could carry a team past the first round. That's Toronto's building block. And as such, the idea of mortgaging the future or including underrated assets (ie William Nylander) for a band aid makes zero sense.
 

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LOL! He is on a $1.5MM deal for 2 more years. So cost controlled and a HUGE positive for the output and term with his age for a cap strapped team. That would require a lot more than you are asking for (a late 1st which has about a 40% chance of making it to NHL). That wouldn't raise the pulse as the Hawks don't have to trade him unless the offer is through the roof. Makes no sense for the Hawks.....that offer.
You're LOLing at a phantom. Post qualifies "if" and each side providing a general base. There's no offer there, just a general model that should be there if Toronto intended to mortgage part of their future. If they did, there should be something other than MAF's words of wisdom to Jack Campbell to hold on to in the event Chicago's looking for a 1st and a prospect or two of note.
 

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