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LeBrun: Asking price for M.A.F is 1st Rounder or 1st Round level prospect + possible mid-level pick
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I mean, why would you consider him a prospect? He used to play for Philadelphia and Detroit.
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They're implying Chicago pretty much has to take him to make the money work, I believe
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You basically think MAF is worth more than any goalie rental in the history of the NHL while holding a sparkling 908%...lucky to get a 2nd rounder with 50% retained.
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Maybe. Depends on whether you actually think Fleury can return a first (I'm skeptical myself)
I'm not even sure Mrazek is a cap dump, honestly. He obviously hasn't worked out in Toronto so there's that. But for the sake of this discussion, we'll assume that he is.
Dumping Panik (2 years @ $2.75M) cost Washington a 2nd, dumping Ladd (2 years @ $5.5M but $4M per in actual dollars) cost a couple of 2nds and a 3rd iirc. Mrazek probably falls somewhere in between.
So I'd argue Mrazek + a first for Fleury at 50% is actually pretty fair... that being said, I could see Chicago not being overly interested in that
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Okay, agreed. I thought I could add a 3rd or a 4th for dumping Mrazek, but I guess it's fair that Chicago is rewarded with a replacement goaltender.
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If Fleury retires or signs elsewhere, there aren't a ton of great options on the UFA market for example. (Some team is probably going to miss out in the game of musical chairs.) But who knows, a deal like this probably boils down to pro scouting and your staff feeling they can rehabilitate Mrazek
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While I agree with the assessment that MAF is on the decline, who could the Leafs or Oilers get that has Cup Pedigree or the capacity to earn that?
Jake Allen? Jake Allen was a passenger for his and crumbles under pressure so I don’t want to hear him as an option.
So gang… whatcha got?
Jake Allen? Jake Allen was a passenger for his and crumbles under pressure so I don’t want to hear him as an option.
So gang… whatcha got?
MAF is worth your late 2nd. 50% retained it becomes your 1st (which should be 24 to 32) which doesn’t mean a game breaker.
Toronto pays more than a 3rd to get a team to eat 2 years of Mrazek.
Also no Leaf prospect is a guarantee. Knies is the new big deal but that’s because the others who were the big deal in years past are middling at best. Robertson has a chance to be a decent 2nd liner if he can stay healthy. That right now is the ceiling for Leaf prospects.
Do you have that quote? Talk radio in Chicago says he hasn’t even been asked to submit a list.
The Hawks will not trade him anywhere he doesn’t want to be.
The thought is …. If someone meets the price the team will then approach MAF about it.
Also known in the Chicago press is MAF has expressed interest about maybe a 2 year deal to return to the Hawks. That he can be moved (for a price) and return next season.
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Sure they could. They could give up a 1st rd pick for a guy who can't get a team with Patrick Kane and Seth Jones any higher than 3rd last in the conference.
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Leafs and Oilers are two teams that need to do something at one point. You can't waste the prime years of your best players because you think you're "losing a trade". Matthews and Nylander will be UFA at the end of the 2024 season. That leaves only 3 potential playoff runs. Who cares if you pay through the nose In futures, your team is competing now.
The worst part is that I don't even like the Leafs or Oilers, but I hate seeing wasted talent.
The worst part is that I don't even like the Leafs or Oilers, but I hate seeing wasted talent.
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Fleury has already said he's not moving like a week ago. Is Lebrun unaware of this or did he change his mind?
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It’s almost worth a 1st rounder for the Leafs to get rid of Mrazek’s contract, and if CHI is rebuilding and wants to have a chance at the first overall pick next year, they should want Mrazek playing goal for them.
What I would offer CHI if I was TOR would be: Mrazek + 1st rounder + conditional 5th (becomes a 4th if they win one round, becomes a 3rd if they win 2 rounds or more and Fleury plays in >50% of the games) for MAF @ 50% retention.
Or a bigger deal: 2 first rounders + 2nd or prospect + Mrazek for Hagel + Fleury @ 50% retention.
What I would offer CHI if I was TOR would be: Mrazek + 1st rounder + conditional 5th (becomes a 4th if they win one round, becomes a 3rd if they win 2 rounds or more and Fleury plays in >50% of the games) for MAF @ 50% retention.
Or a bigger deal: 2 first rounders + 2nd or prospect + Mrazek for Hagel + Fleury @ 50% retention.
This... there's also the other "challenge" in that you can only really play one of them at a time.
If a team adds a "1st line forward", perhaps he's a depth addition that plays on the 2nd, bumping a 2nd line player to the 3rd, a 3rd line player to the 4th, and 4th line player to the pressbox. The delta to the lineup is a 4th line forward out, and 1st line forward in; while every line becomes better as a result of pushing people further down.
With goalies, it's much more simplistic. How much BETTER than Campbell or Vanecek is Fleury? Reality is, he might not be better than either... if he is, the difference is probably marginal. Are you going to spend your most valuable trade chip on a guy that is a marginal upgrade, at best? If you're Washington, are you also going to lose Samsonov's long term upside for short term gain in Fleury, given that they may not be able to carry 3 goalies?
I think the answer to both of those is no... maybe in Toronto, you can get a bit creative and find a way to do it. Look at the fact that Chicago has 3 3rd round picks (and likely an ability to get one or two more with De Haan and Carpenter); while Toronto's draft class has 3 picks total, after drafting only 3 times last year, so get the Leafs a 3rd rounder for themselves, and a 3rd rounder to use as ammunition for another addition.
Something like:
- Fluery @ 50%
- Vegas' 3rd Round Pick
- Toronto's 3rd Round Pick
- Mrazek
- Toronto's 1st Round Pick
- Travis Dermott
- Leafs give back a 3rd if they win 2 rounds, and Fleury plays more than 50% of the games.
Of course, you'd have to find a way to convince Fleury to want to go to Toronto... which seems like a pretty tall mountain to climb. Ultimately, it seems that his likely NTC list includes the 3 teams that are really in need of goaltending help.
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At that price? Let another team pay it.
Leafs in dire goaltending situation, price to fix it is extremely high.
Things are getting ugly in Toronto.www.hockeyfeed.com
Dubas and Shanahan will both be fired If they fall on their face once again, The clock is ticking and 1 team will step up before the deadline and snatch Fleury up. Better grab a chair before the music stops .
