LeBrun: Asking price for M.A.F is 1st Rounder or 1st Round level prospect + possible mid-level pick

[seanlinden]

Yes and maybe the Leafs should consider a janitor or zamboni driver if they elect to bargain shop with Dubas job on the line. They couldn't do worse than Mrazek.

They absolutely could... especially when Chicago is going to be about the last place that a UFA wants to go; barring a suspect goalie being able to get a long term deal.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

What‘s the highest trade deadline price that has ever been paid for a goaltender?

And is MAF worth that much?

Blues gave up boatload for Ryan Miller. Was a disaster.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Miller (2014) and Roloson (2006) are the only rental goalies to return a 1st at the deadline post-lockout.

Pre-lockout, you have to go back to Bill Ranford, who went for a 1st mid-season in 1996, or beyond; I have no idea if he was an impending free agent or not.

 

[seanlinden]

Blues gave up boatload for Ryan Miller. Was a disaster.

Miller (2014) and Roloson (2006) are the only rental goalies to return a 1st at the deadline post-lockout.

Pre-lockout, you have to go back to Bill Ranford, who went for a 1st mid-season in 1996, or beyond; I have no idea if he was an impending free agent or not.

It's also worth noting that when Miller was traded, he was 33 years old; absolutely carrying that Buffalo team. He would go on to sign a pretty substantial deal with Vancouver the following offseason; but I'm sure St. Louis had hope of resigning him when they traded for him.

Fleury's been good for the Hawks, but nowhere near as good as Miller was for the Sabres. He's also 37 years old -- so likely nothing more than a short term hired gun.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Miller (2014) and Roloson (2006) are the only rental goalies to return a 1st at the deadline post-lockout.

Pre-lockout, you have to go back to Bill Ranford, who went for a 1st mid-season in 1996, or beyond; I have no idea if he was an impending free agent or not.

I believe he was an UFA. He liked to go year to year on his contracts.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Jagr got a first and two prospects. I think MAF can get a first and a prospect or two as well.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I don’t see the Hawks getting that from a team he’s willing to waive for. Doubt there’s more than a handful of teams he’d consider.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I believe he was an UFA. He liked to go year to year on his contracts.

Inspired to google around, Harry Sinden was the one liked to go year to year on Ranford's contracts.

Wild article --> RANFORD UNHAPPY PLAYING ON THEIR TERMS

It appears that free agency in that era was at 32 (Link). That made Ranford the modern equivalent of an arbitration eligible RFA at the time. Not applicable to Fleury's situation.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'd bet it's either Washington of Toronto, with the trades looking like:

Caps send one of their goalies plus a 1st for Fleury and a mid round pick.

Leafs send a 1st, Mrazek and a prospect for Fleury.

LeBrun already said that Toronto and Washington are on MAF no trade list, He wont waive to go to either team. They're not on his short list.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Leafs or Oilers should pay whatever it costs

Pretty hard when both teams are on his no trade list, MAF doesn't wan to play in either Edmonton or Toronto so not happening.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hard pass from DC.

Hard pass from Fleury, He wont waive to go to DC. So it doesn't matter.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Inspired to google around, Harry Sinden was the one liked to go year to year on Ranford's contracts.

Wild article --> RANFORD UNHAPPY PLAYING ON THEIR TERMS

It appears that free agency in that era was at 32 (Link). That made Ranford the modern equivalent of an arbitration eligible RFA at the time. Not applicable to Fleury's situation.

I have been around a while. I should have known. Google is my friend.

 

[colchar]

What a ridiculous thread title.

Lebrun did not say that was the asking price, he said that is what he thought the asking price would be. So it is pure speculation.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Miller (2014) and Roloson (2006) are the only rental goalies to return a 1st at the deadline post-lockout.

Pre-lockout, you have to go back to Bill Ranford, who went for a 1st mid-season in 1996, or beyond; I have no idea if he was an impending free agent or not.

I mean, I feel like you can draw pretty clear parallels between Miller and Fleury though.

Fleury at 50% for Mrazek, a 1st and 3rd seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Krimson]

Fleury plays out the string in CHI . Only trade he accepts is to PIT to back up Jarry.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Fleury plays out the string in CHI . Only trade he accepts is to PIT to back up Jarry.

Which the Penguins do not have the need, cap space or assets to do, so it seems like a moot point.

Have him sign with Pittsburgh after the year after DeSmith walks as a free agent if he wants to come back so badly.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I mean, I feel like you can draw pretty clear parallels between Miller and Fleury though.

Fleury at 50% for Mrazek, a 1st and 3rd seems pretty reasonable to me.

A potential counterpoint (I haven't seen this written anywhere) is that the market looked at how well that played out and adjusted. Tampa knocked the Bishop trade out of the park in hindsight (Cernak), but it was an unspectacular return at the time. Lehner is a more recent comp and that was a 2nd as the core piece with max retention.

 

[Krimson]

Which the Penguins do not have the need, cap space or assets to do, so it seems like a moot point.

Have him sign with Pittsburgh after the year after DeSmith walks as a free agent if he wants to come back so badly.

Well yeah. That’s probably why he told the Blackhawks he didn’t want to be traded.

 

[Empoleon8771]

A potential counterpoint (I haven't seen this written anywhere) is that the market looked at how well that played out and adjusted. Tampa knocked the Bishop trade out of the park in hindsight (Cernak), but it was an unspectacular return at the time. Lehner is a more recent comp and that was a 2nd as the core piece with max retention.

I don't think you can really point out a past trade and say "see, it didn't work out!" as why a team wouldn't make that trade in the future. Teams trade a ton of futures for rentals every year and all but 1 team fails in the playoffs.

I don't really think Bishop or Lehner are all that comparable to Fleury. Fleury's a future HHoF goalie that has won basically everything possible for a NHL goalie to win. Lehner and Bishop were just very good starting goalies.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

What a ridiculous thread title.

Lebrun did not say that was the asking price, he said that is what he thought the asking price would be. So it is pure speculation.

Yeah, we're not the GMs of both sides, so what he said would be a speculation.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I don't think you can really point out a past trade and say "see, it didn't work out!" as why a team wouldn't make that trade in the future. Teams trade a ton of futures for rentals every year and all but 1 team fails in the playoffs.

I don't really think Bishop or Lehner are all that comparable to Fleury. Fleury's a future HHoF goalie that has won basically everything possible for a NHL goalie to win. Lehner and Bishop were just very good starting goalies.

Goalie is a unique position in the sense that there's nowhere to hide him if it doesn't work out. As teams attempt to justify a move internally, they'll go back and look at how some of these trades worked out, presumably. Here, Hitchcock attributed Miller's disappointing results to a lack of practice time to get adjusted to new teammates and systems.

FWIW, both Lehner and Bishop were a year removed from Vezina nominations.

 

[AcerComputer]

You're basically trading for MAF based on reputation and not his sparkling .908 save %. When was the last time a Goalie rental was traded at the deadline for anything significant? Ryan Miller 8 years ago? When he was one of the best goalies in the league and had a .923% in his UFA year with BUF. I mean what team can absorb MAF caphit even at 50% retained, without taking a contract back? His value is at most a 3rd rounder with retention, maybe a 2nd if a team overpays or there is a condition on the pick. Even Riemer had a better UFA season and the Leafs only got a conditional 4th from SJ.

 

[trick9]

Hard pass from Fleury, He wont waive to go to DC. So it doesn't matter.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

Capitals offer Markus Hannikainen. Throw in a 3rd round pick if the 'hawks retain salary.

 

[AcerComputer]

Jagr got a first and two prospects. I think MAF can get a first and a prospect or two as well.

If you consider Mrazek to be a prospect still, then sure.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

If you consider Mrazek to be a prospect still, then sure.

Huh? Mrazek's an NHL-caliber goalie, isn't he?