LeBrun: Asking price for M.A.F is 1st Rounder or 1st Round level prospect + possible mid-level pick

[Mrfenn92]

I don't think the Hawks get anywhere near that to be honest ! Imagine if he did say he would go to the Oilers but the Hawks wanted what will likely be a top 20 pick in this year's draft, Dylan Holloway, a mid 1st rounder from a few drafts ago and the Oilers best mid pairing d-man still in the AHL developing....Dimitry Samorukov. I couldn't blame the Oilers if they said thanks but no thanks because that's awful steep for a 37 year old soon to be UFA with no guarantee of re-signing ! Can't blame the Hawks for asking for it though....

Can only ask and go from there.

 

[StephenPeat]

L think this is for WSH. McMichael and a second maybe a first. Toronto has Robertson but not much else.

Ha ha, no.

 

[Spawn]

A lot to ask for a goalie rocking a .908 sv%

 

[Random schmoe]

I think this is for WSH. McMichael and a second maybe a first. Toronto has Robertson but not much else.

No way do the Caps do that for a rental goalie.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Can only ask and go from there.

it's funny how all of a sudden a 1st rder is the gold standard . How many 1st rders did Bowman trade when Hawks went on Cup runs and won ? Dubas payed a 1st for Nick Foligno and that is the usual price that solid player costs.

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[Mrfenn92]

it's funny how all of a sudden a 1st rder is the gold standard . How many 1st rders did Bowman trade when Hawks went on Cup runs and won ? Dubas payed a 1st for Nick Foligno and that is the usual price that solid player costs.

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Don’t see it with goalies much

 

[BatVader]

Leafs or Oilers should pay whatever it costs

 

[SI90]

If those are the prices for a good starter then isles better trade Varlamov. Doubt a first is moved for a goalie though

 

[seanlinden]

I just don't see the Leafs doing it at that price.

Even if you fix the goaltending, there's quite a few holes on the roster that need fixing before you consider the Leafs true contenders. If you burn the 1st on Fleury, you really don't have the assets / wherewithal to fix the other issues.

Ultimately, I think the Leafs offer would probably top out at their 2nd, a defenceman like Travis Dermott, Mrazek, and a prospect not named Niemla/Knies/Robertson for Fleury at 50%.

There's only two ways I can see a first getting involved:

One would be if Chicago perhaps sends back something like Toronto & Vegas' 3rd round picks; to at least give the Leafs some ammunition to do some more shopping. This may be a prudent strategy if you figure / assume the Hawks will sell off less valuable pieces like De Haan & Carpenter; who will likely return picks in that range.

The second would be if Murphy is healthy, and you expand the deal to include multiple really good pieces.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

lol sure you are somehow going to get a better return than you paid when what you paid for was a vezina winning goalie and the current version of said goalie has a 908 sv percentage.

 

[Goldenhands]

It would be smarter to go after Allen if teams are looking at goaltending options. He has played some very solid hockey for us, pretty stable and constant. Signed through another season at a reasonable prize.

 

[mouser]

What‘s the highest trade deadline price that has ever been paid for a goaltender?

And is MAF worth that much?

 

[Petes2424]

I don't think the Hawks get anywhere near that to be honest ! Imagine if he did say he would go to the Oilers but the Hawks wanted what will likely be a top 20 pick in this year's draft, Dylan Holloway, a mid 1st rounder from a few drafts ago and the Oilers best mid pairing d-man still in the AHL developing....Dimitry Samorukov. I couldn't blame the Oilers if they said thanks but no thanks because that's awful steep for a 37 year old soon to be UFA with no guarantee of re-signing ! Can't blame the Hawks for asking for it though....

Under normal circumstance that would be very logical. We’ve passed up logical at this point with Toronto thinking they can pull the old Detroit Cheap Goaltending crap, and obviously with the inventor of that theory running the show in Edmonton, same goes for the Oilers.

You’d almost think the Hawks are almost laughing at this point. I’ve actually changed my mind on this over the last month and think the Leafs will pony up that 1st round pick for Fleury, thinking they’re bidding against Holland when in realit, Holland probably actually thinks he has his goaltender for the playoffs - if they make it.

The worst part is, given our enduring lifetime of no Stanley Cups in Toronto, Fleury will arrive and light the town on fire. For about two weeks. Then he’ll start coming down to earth.

By the time the first round rolls around, Fleury will either get injured or turn into the ghost of Mrazek. Who knowing the Leafs luck, will have been claimed on waivers by Minnesota and lead them to a Cup.

It’s just what the hockey devil continues to deal out to Leaf fans.

 

[dj Mahoney]

I just don't see the Leafs doing it at that price.

Even if you fix the goaltending, there's quite a few holes on the roster that need fixing before you consider the Leafs true contenders. If you burn the 1st on Fleury, you really don't have the assets / wherewithal to fix the other issues.

Ultimately, I think the Leafs offer would probably top out at their 2nd, a defenceman like Travis Dermott, Mrazek, and a prospect not named Niemla/Knies/Robertson for Fleury at 50%.

There's only two ways I can see a first getting involved:

One would be if Chicago perhaps sends back something like Toronto & Vegas' 3rd round picks; to at least give the Leafs some ammunition to do some more shopping. This may be a prudent strategy if you figure / assume the Hawks will sell off less valuable pieces like De Haan & Carpenter; who will likely return picks in that range.

The second would be if Murphy is healthy, and you expand the deal to include multiple really good pieces.

To take Mrazek I'd want a solid prospect and a 2nd rder. And keep Robertson ,Leaf fans have listened too much about how incredible he is along with Sandin and Liljegren and Bracco .Ignore Craig Button he knows piss all.

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[seanlinden]

To take Mrazek I'd want a solid prospect and a 2nd rder

Yeah I don't think that's at all realistic. It's more of the hyper sensitivity to contracts that you see on HFboards.

Mrazek, to a team like Chicago, would essentially be a throw-in... maybe he's worth at 5th, maybe he should need a 5th to take on.... at the end of the day, gets Chicago a reasonably competent goalie without having to commit any sort of term to.

Let's also not forget to truly analyze the potential buyers for Fleury -- there's 3 of them.

One is Toronto, who'd have to send back Mrazek without question. He may not want to come to Toronto.

One is Edmonton, who would likely have to send back Koskinen. Of course, that's not a big deal from CHI's standpoint, but I cannot recall a time when a playoff-hopeful team traded their #1 goalie at the deadline. If he doesn't want to come to Toronto, he's less likely to want to go to Edmonton.

One is Washington, who would likely require double-retention. Even with double-retention, there would be a challenge with the fact that their current goalies are 25/26, and that the Caps may not want to lose either one of them (again) given Fleury's age, which in turn would create cap challenges in trying to maintain 3 goalies on the roster.

That being said, if Washington is willing to trade Samsonov for Fleury, that's ultimately where he should probably end up.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Yeah I don't think that's at all realistic. It's more of the hyper sensitivity to contracts that you see on HFboards.

Mrazek, to a team like Chicago, would essentially be a throw-in... maybe he's worth at 5th, maybe he should need a 5th to take on.... at the end of the day, gets Chicago a reasonably competent goalie without having to commit any sort of term to.

He's garbage .You are seeing him fold right in front of your eyes .Most teams wouldnt take him for a 1st plus,,,he sucks.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The Leafs have to pay it, they have no choice Marazek is awful

 

[Dan Kelly]

the hyper sensitivity to contracts that you see on HFboards.

So incredibly true isn't it? And about every player, every contract, every trade proposal and every actual trade !!

 

[dj Mahoney]

Don’t see it with goalies much

You never see a goalie on the market with M A Fleury's resume either

 

[seanlinden]

He's garbage .You are seeing him fold right in front of your eyes .Most teams wouldnt take him for a 1st plus,,,he sucks.

Most teams also have goalies.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Wonder if he retires after the season?

 

[Legion34]

You never see a goalie on the market with M A Fleury's resume either

Sure we have. Fleury. He went for nothing coming off vezina.


Now he is worth a first?

 

[dj Mahoney]

Most teams also have goalies.

Yes and maybe the Leafs should consider a janitor or zamboni driver if they elect to bargain shop with Dubas job on the line. They couldn't do worse than Mrazek.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Hard pass from DC.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Anybody who trades a first for Fleury right now is out of their damn minds.