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Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

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In the off chance that Panarin would waive his NMC, it's not to go to a junk team like Chicago. Only junk team I see as remotely possible is Anaheim. That's to reunite with Strome, and Anaheim might seriously be interested in making that happen to maximize the Strome investment. Strome was always a 40-45 point player without Panarin, and a 60-65 point player with him.

The only other way I see him waiving the NMC would be to a bubble team who 1) Panarin believes is a contender if he joins it, 2) the team needs a large amount of offensive talent immediately to make the playoffs, and 3) the team would be happy enough to achieve #2 that they'll take a chance he finds a way to get it done in the playoffs. One obvious team that sticks out to me in this category is Nashville, but I'm not sure what plan Trotz has for that org. They could go either way with it. Ryan McDonagh and a couple of picks for Panarin? Like Panarin, McDonagh is overpaid by a couple mill a season too, so no retention. Rangers free up $5M in cap space.
 
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bbny said:
In the off chance that Panarin would waive his NMC, it's not to go to a junk team like Chicago. Only junk team I see as remotely possible is Anaheim. That's to reunite with Strome, and Anaheim might seriously be interested in making that happen to maximize the Strome investment. Strome was always a 40-45 point player without Panarin, and a 60-65 point player with him.

The only other way I see him waiving the NMC would be to a bubble team who 1) Panarin believes is a contender if he joins it, 2) the team needs a large amount of offensive talent immediately to make the playoffs, and 3) the team would be happy enough to achieve #2 that they'll take a chance he finds a way to get it done in the playoffs. One obvious team that sticks out to me in this category is Nashville, but I'm not sure what plan Trotz has for that org. They could go either way with it. Ryan McDonagh and a couple of picks for Panarin? Like Panarin, McDonagh is overpaid by a couple mill a season too, so no retention. Rangers free up $5M in cap space.
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I could see him waiving for Chicago as a means to an end. Chicago wouldn't be trading for him to hold on to him for the next three seasons. At best, they'd keep him until the trade deadline next season. Then Panarin at half salary gets to go to a team that will likely have three really solid shots at the cup (and it would likely be a team where Bread wouldn't have to be the main guy, a role he's struggled with the last two post-seasons).

And frankly, that's assuming that Panarin even cares all that much about winning a Cup.. He signed with the Rangers as a non-playoff team. At the very least, he seems to care about other things (location, teammates, the ability to dictate the length of his own shifts and play how he likes) at least as much as he does about winning Lord Stanley.

That said, I don't hate the idea of bringing McDonagh in if they can open up the cap to fit him.
 
Trxjw said:
A key reason McDonagh agreed to a trade from Tampa was because he was going to another state with no state income tax. Highly doubt he'd agree to get dealt back to NY.

Panarin doesn't strike me as a guy who is particularly focused on ending up on a competitor. More on lifestyle.
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Send him to Miami, he can have both.
 
If someone offers you a Ferrari for 20 cents on the dollar, your immediate reaction would be “what’s wrong with it.” In this cap strapped league, you’re going to have a hard time moving Panarin, and that’s before you factor his no movement clause.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Fox. And apparently Laf is an elite playmaker just waiting for some PP time.

I honestly think that there is a path to the PP improving in a post Bread world. Way too much “playmaking” as is.
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Fox isn't a forward (I wasn't just keying on the PP).

Panarin is the best (FWD) passer on the team AINEC.

That he can't make a worthwhile pass in the playoffs is a whole different barrel of monkeys.
 
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haohmaru said:
Fox isn't a forward (I wasn't just keying on the PP).

Panarin is the best (FWD) passer on the team AINEC.

That he can't make a worthwhile pass in the playoffs is a whole different barrel of monkeys.
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All true, but the Rangers are still a playoff team after replacing Panarin with others using the saved cap, so they can afford to prioritize improving the team from a playoff perspective in exchange for potentially reducing maximum regular season production.
 
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haohmaru said:
Fox isn't a forward (I wasn't just keying on the PP).

Panarin is the best (FWD) passer on the team AINEC.

That he can't make a worthwhile pass in the playoffs is a whole different barrel of monkeys.
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I don’t know why Fox being a defenseman matters at all. He’s the best “playmaking” PP defender in the world. I’d rather have someone that can shoot the puck across from Mika and just let the playmaking happen from the point.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
There are other ways to create offense.

The PP runs through Fox anyway.
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Agree. We need to get out of this mindset of specificity by player. It's becoming old school thinking. Systems and structure and get players the have a little bit of each skill.
 
will1066 said:
Agree. We need to get out of this mindset of specificity by player. It's becoming old school thinking. Systems and structure and get players the have a little bit of each skill.
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Carolina probably has the best odds to win of the teams left.

How many elite playmakers do they have?

Not saying that we should be devoid of said skill, but you can take a "lesser" player who is pretty good at it yet better in other areas and probably have it work better within the right system.

Plus he's a head case. His comments during break up day, while honest, really bugged me. "I didn't score early so I let the pressure build." You make 11.6 a year, figure it the f*** out.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Carolina probably has the best odds to win of the teams left.

How many elite playmakers do they have?

Not saying that we should be devoid of said skill, but you can take a "lesser" player who is pretty good at it yet better in other areas and probably have it work better within the right system.

Plus he's a head case. His comments during break up day, while honest, really bugged me. "I didn't score early so I let the pressure build." You make 11.6 a year, figure it the f*** out.
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It's amazing what teams without huge marquee names can do with 4 lines that play as units of 5. As long as there's decent skill level, the system enables a sum greater than the parts.
 
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Trxjw said:
A key reason McDonagh agreed to a trade from Tampa was because he was going to another state with no state income tax. Highly doubt he'd agree to get dealt back to NY.

Panarin doesn't strike me as a guy who is particularly focused on ending up on a competitor. More on lifestyle.
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After watching him in the playoffs for a few years now I would have to agree.
 
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ODog: If you were a team and Brindamour was available would you just throw 10 million at him to get him to coach your team?

Poulie: I'd certainly make him the highest paid coach. But you have to be careful. I don't think he can coach every type of team. Like I don't think he would work with a guy like Artemi Panarin.
 
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When he is with the puck, he does exactly two things: not making any play that can lead to scoring chances, or tries to do so, which eventually ends up with his fail. And knowing this, he chooses option 2 extremely rarely. I've never seen him be part of an episode with some great team play, or making a pass that would be really nice. The guy is just useless, and they hired him on 12 millions, that's impressive
 
I see some think he's so cool and badass that he chooses to suck in the playoffs because he doesn't even give a shit about hockey and thinks more about his lifestyle. Which depends entirely on his career:laugh:
 
shizovitch said:
My point was only that since landing this contract he doesnt need to care. He'll be 35 by the time hes done.

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Its not what I was saying.


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Nope, I think it’s a pretty bizarre accusation but I’m curious why you guys think it. What makes him seem like a narcissist?
 
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TopShelfSnipes said:
Honestly, this trope has been a thing with pretty much every Russian player in the history of this organization and it's infuriating dinosaur crap. It's literally been happening ever since the first genius decided to call Alexei Kovalev an "enigma."

Russians have a different culture, understanding them is different. Humor is different (and it's very funny when you come to understand it) and they don't take things as seriously outwardly to the rest of the world in public comments as North Americans do. But that doesn't mean they don't take training and competition seriously.

I don't doubt Panarin wants to win and works hard. A big part of his struggles at even strength was the complete incompatibility of him and Vincent Trocheck (despite the ridiculous amount of time they spent on the ice together, Panarin assisted on exactly TWO even strength Trocheck goals all season)...and that coincided nicely with his completely ineffective playoff where those two were inseparable in the eyes of the galaxy brained former coach.

May the next coach have a mandate that if 10 and 16 are on the ice together at even strength, he is fired on the spot.
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I agree there are some on-ice changes that could help Panarin, but he put up 92 points. It’s not like he had a bad season. The player needs to buy in come playoff time. He needs to find it within himself to make things happen.

He can do it. And he’s the type of character to care and want to succeed, I don’t view him as a narcissist at all. Not sure where that’s coming from. Bc he didn’t want to play with Kakko and makes a lot of money?
 
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