Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

[NickyFotiu]

Those players were being blanketed by Zib and shooting against Shesty. Bread was shooting against an AHLer and turning the puck over in bad areas as is his M.O.

Our forwards did not look good. It as not only Bread. Did the "kid line" play? The 4th line was bad. Toscheck was not himself. Zibs skated hard but with few results. Only one that looked dangerous with puck on his stick was Tarasenko.

 

[bl02]

Can't he just pull a Marcus Naslund please?!?!

 

[The Gloaming]

Our forwards did not look good. It as not only Bread. Did the "kid line" play? The 4th line was bad. Toscheck was not himself. Zibs skated hard but with few results. Only one that looked dangerous with puck on his stick was Tarasenko.

Only because he wasn't infected with Rangeritis yet.

It's crazy how there was only 1 standout player in this series for us, and only in front of the net.

Rangers got their asses kicked.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Only because he wasn't infected with Rangeritis yet.

It's crazy how there was only 1 standout player in this series for us, and only in front of the net.

Rangers got their asses kicked.

Other Rangers skated much better than Tank but Tank shot to score not just to shoot.

 

[will1066]

Don't know why I didn't think of this before, but ArteME. amirite?

 

[sdf]

I've been saying for a long time that he awful and that he's not even a solid mid-level player and signing him for such a salary is just idiotic, but the super hockey analysts here were continued to be excited from his meh passing and plays, lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've been saying for a long time that he awful and that he's not even a solid mid-level player and signing him for such a salary is just idiotic, but the super hockey analysts here were continued to be excited from his meh passing and plays, lol

Not a person on the planet who wants him off of this team more than I do but this is such a dumb comment.

He's regressed into being pretty meh and singing him WAS stupid, but he wasn't always awful and was certainly better than "solid-mid level."

I think hes overrated by people here (especially in his current state) and his hockey IQ is actually pretty f***ing low considering, but there was a point in time where he was great. You don't even have to go back THAT far to find a time when he was.

 

[will1066]

Not a person on the planet who wants him off of this team more than I do but this is such a dumb comment.

He's regressed into being pretty meh and singing him WAS stupid, but he wasn't always awful and was certainly better than "solid-mid level."

I think hes overrated by people here (especially in his current state) and his hockey IQ is actually pretty f***ing low considering, but there was a point in time where he was great. You don't even have to go back THAT far to find a time when he was.

I agree with nearly everything except for the IQ part. If he didn't have IQ, he wouldn't have had the vision to make those feeds and plays when he was in his prime. He didn't get dumb. It is his recent flat-out refusal to sacrifice his body to make higher percentage plays.

And I know you like ArteME secretly.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree with nearly everything except for the IQ part. If he didn't have IQ, he wouldn't have had the vision to make those feeds when he was in his prime. He didn't get dumb. It is his flat-out refusal to sacrifice his body.

And I know you like ArteME secretly.

People with high hockey IQ don't continuously make the same mistakes that he does. You can simultaneously have good vision and poor hockey IQ. Scott Gomez is probably a prime example of this.

He has kind of been dumb since he got here but we lived with the dumb because he did a lot of good too. His skills have regressed and his dumb is amplified.

 

[will1066]

People with high hockey IQ don't continuously make the same mistakes that he does. You can simultaneously have good vision and poor hockey IQ. Scott Gomez is probably a prime example of this.

He has kind of been dumb since he got here but we lived with the dumb because he did a lot of good too. His skills have regressed and his dumb is amplified.

I think his refusal to sacrifice his body nullifies everything else. And he is looking for other people to create time and space for him. I do think he has an overinflated sense of himself and his place in today's style of hockey.

 

[SA16]

I've been saying for a long time that he awful and that he's not even a solid mid-level player and signing him for such a salary is just idiotic, but the super hockey analysts here were continued to be excited from his meh passing and plays, lol

Well you've been wrong for a long time.

 

[bleedblue94]

Wrong thread, but panarin's still gotta go

 

[bleedblue94]

I mean this is kinda funny

 

[yrrebbor]

Here's another: tell him he'll be taking a backseat this year in terms of premium ice time, starting with significantly less PP time (Kakko takes his spot on PP1). Maybe he'll waive if the plan is made clear to him early in the offseason.

It will most likely hurt the team's maximum results to do this, but I'm not so sure this team doesn't need to withstand a step back next year before taking two steps forward. There's also a chance they become a better overall team as the year goes on. Even if Panarin stays, a 90 point Panarin and a 40 point Kakko combination is not as valuable as a 60 point Panarin and a confident 60 point Kakko, despite less combined points.

This would be a smart move!

 

[markymarc1215]

Agreed, He'll need enough negative heat on him to where he'd waive the NTC. And then we'll need luck finding a suitor willing to take on an 11.6 million dollar cancer who doesn't show up in the playoffs. Without a doubt, we'll need to retain a fair chunk of salary. At this point, we have to see what Kakko and Laf can do in a Top 6, PP 1-2 role, for a full season. They each represent the highest draft picks we've had in any type of recent history.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Panarin is not waiving his no move clause and there aren’t any teams with cap space that he would even consider going to. It’s going to be on the player to figure it out if the Rangers are going to be successful

 

[LORDE]

Not a person on the planet who wants him off of this team more than I do but this is such a dumb comment.

He's regressed into being pretty meh and singing him WAS stupid, but he wasn't always awful and was certainly better than "solid-mid level."

I think hes overrated by people here (especially in his current state) and his hockey IQ is actually pretty f***ing low considering, but there was a point in time where he was great. You don't even have to go back THAT far to find a time when he was.

Yeah I mean, drag his ass through the dirt but you can't deny certain things

Us signing him to a max / max contract w a NMC was AND IS the issue

WHILE WE WERE "rebuilding" supposedly

He's talented. Don't pretend he isn't. That's lazy

 

[n8]

Can we please send him to Chicago for #20OA and Ryan Greene? He can go have a career year with Bedard. Make Toews' cap turns into Bread. Just like Jesus.

 

[sdf]

Well you've been wrong for a long time.

 

[Chaels Arms]

I was flipping through the Marner thread on the Leafs board and it sounds disturbingly similar to our Panarin thread.

Is there something to be said for this type of player not carrying the same impact in the playoffs as the regular season?

Let's be honest, there's basically a gentlemen's agreement to play around 75% effort throughout the regular season. No human being could withstand the wear and tear of 82 games plus playoffs going 100%. This is the tradeoff we make for not having players automatically sit out 20% of regular season games due to "load management" ala the NBA.

IMO no sport changes as drastically from regular season to playoffs as hockey.

A million years ago before Max Kellerman blew up on ESPN he had a lunch time radio show in NY. One thing I remember him saying is the "clutchness" of players like Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter are somewhat overrated. They're not suddenly becoming better players in big moments - it's more that they're maintaining their same level of excellence against better competition in big moments which most players are unable to do.

When I watch playoff Panarin I actually think he's pretty much the same player as regular season Panarin. The difference is he's now dealing with opposition that are giving 100% effort and now live in rabid dog attack mode every single shift as opposed to the regular season and his game isn't built to weather that change as well as other players. I think Marner might be the same way.

 

[huerter]

I was flipping through the Marner thread on the Leafs board and it sounds disturbingly similar to our Panarin thread.

One guy was 42% CF and -4.1 CF rel and the other was 54% and 11.1. One guy was -2 in the playoffs and the other was +7 (next best forward being +3).

Get serious.

 

[Chaels Arms]

One guy was 42% CF and -4.1 CF rel and the other was 54% and 11.1. One guy was -2 in the playoffs and the other was +7 (next best forward being +3).

Get serious.

I'll get serious as soon as you learn to read properly. Nothing you said here remotely addresses the sentence you quoted lmao. Goodnight.

 

[smoneil]

Can we please send him to Chicago for #20OA and Ryan Greene? He can go have a career year with Bedard. Make Toews' cap turns into Bread. Just like Jesus.

This has some merit, though I don't think Chicago pays a 1st + for an aging winger. They are invested in doing poorly for their re-build.

I 100% think that Panarin needs to be moved. We've seen two seasons with our current vet core and the kids being under-developed. It doesn't work. We need a bit of a re-set, and we need an infusion of cap space to do it. We also need to open up a powerplay and top six spot in the hopes of jump starting Laf's development, and none of that will happen while Bread is here. If we tell Bread that his choice is 3rd line minutes or waive the NMC, I think he'll waive.

I think there are two possibilities for moving Bread.

Option 1: We send him and his full hit to Chicago. Chicago has LOADS of cap space for at least two more years. They can plant him on Bedard's wing as their new #1 eases into the league. They can then choose to either hold on to him OR to retain half and move him for a haul (2 and a half years of Bread at $5.8m is a steal). Either way, they get value on a player they could probably get for a pick and a prospect (though I don't see a 2023 1st rounder as part of the NYR return). It would be an alternative take on the "trade a big contract with a sweetener" kind of trade. Chicago needs to get to the cap floor. Bread does that AND allows them to move him on again for a significant package. The sweetener is his future trade value for a team (Chicago) that has not only the cap space but also a need to add a bit of cap to make the floor.

Option 2: Skip the middleman and retain 50% ourselves. The return would be MUCH higher, it would open up nearly $6 million in cap space, which should be more than enough to take care of our RFAs and adjust the look of the team. The only notable contract coming up in that span is Kakko, and between cap increases and being able to replace guys like Goodrow with internal options, we should be able to handle the three years of dead cap.

 

[JT Kreider]

Step 1: Hire Sutter
Step 2: Panarin will waive his no trade to get as far away as possible
Step 3: Trade Panarin to Ottawa for Debrincat
Step 4: Leak some BS report that Sutter shot a puck at a player in Calgary during a practice as a form of punishment forcing the NHL to send him to Quenneville purgatory

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Not a person on the planet who wants him off of this team more than I do but this is such a dumb comment.

He's regressed into being pretty meh and singing him WAS stupid, but he wasn't always awful and was certainly better than "solid-mid level."

Important distinction all Rangers fans need to make is that nothing is, or ever was, 'meh' about his game. He does lack responsibility with the puck. Stanley Cup teams could afford that.