Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

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Now I'm confident this team would've been much stronger if NYR would've kept Buchnevich and Zuccarello instead of having Panarin for the same money. It's not feasible to have that much money tied to one player unless his name is McDavid. The squad depth gets depleted too much.

All that bargaining from relations where premium players take a paycut thrown out the window, it's sickening really. Neither Buch nor Zucc wanted to leave but were forced to, because NYR wants to create a team like Toronto. It's laughable.
 
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Now I'm confident this team would've been much stronger if NYR would've kept Buchnevich and Zuccarello instead of having Panarin for the same money. It's not feasible to have that much money tied to one player unless his name is McDavid. The squad depth gets depleted too much.

Has zero to do with the depth. They went into the season with millions of available cap space unused
 
Now I'm confident this team would've been much stronger if NYR would've kept Buchnevich and Zuccarello instead of having Panarin for the same money. It's not feasible to have that much money tied to one player unless his name is McDavid. The squad depth gets depleted too much.
Chicago tied up 10.5 mil to both Kane and Toews and it resulted in 3 Cups. The problem is the supporting cast can't step up when they need to. The Rangers just can't move the puck against pressure as their passing is poor.
If you can't win the draws you don't control the puck. When we don't have the puck we can't get it back.

Like I said earlier it's like watching two bullies play keep away from some little kid.
 
Chicago tied up 10.5 mil to both Kane and Toews and it resulted in 3 Cups. The problem is the supporting cast can't step up when they need to. The Rangers just can't move the puck against pressure as their passing is poor.
If you can't win the draws you don't control the puck. When we don't have the puck we can't get it back.

Like I said earlier it's like watching two bullies play keep away from some little kid.
Interesting assessment of the problem.

What role did Kane and Toews play in all of those Cups? Compare that to Panarin’s performance this year.
 
Interesting assessment of the problem.

What role did Kane and Toews play in all of those Cups? Compare that to Panarin’s performance this year.

Chicago tied up 10.5 mil to both Kane and Toews and it resulted in 3 Cups. The problem is the supporting cast can't step up when they need to. The Rangers just can't move the puck against pressure as their passing is poor.
If you can't win the draws you don't control the puck. When we don't have the puck we can't get it back.

Like I said earlier it's like watching two bullies play keep away from some little kid.

Um… Chicago gave Kane and Toews 10.5M extensions the year AFTER they won their final Cup and they haven’t been back since. It didn’t result in 3 cups. It was the reward for 3 cups, which they were massive parts of, as opposed to hinderances like Artemi who got a bigger pay day with nothing won, and still isn’t as good a winger as Kane ever was.
 
Um… Chicago gave Kane and Toews 10.5M extensions the year AFTER they won their final Cup and they haven’t been back since. It didn’t result in 3 cups. It was the reward for 3 cups, which they were massive parts of, as opposed to hinderances like Artemi who got a bigger pay day with nothing won, and still isn’t as good a winger as Kane ever was.
I stand corrected. I thought they were rewarded after the second Cup win.
 
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Stuck with his cap hell contract now to watch him pile up assists in the regular season and disappear in the playoffs. He should have scratched last night not Kappo!
 
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96 points …

Laser passing …

Most assists on team

Top 5 nhl assists ….

But a complete and total no show performance….

A performance filled by leaving the zone early - the first sign of a player losing his skating ability- Panarin left defenders out to dry shift after shift after shift …

Mishandling the puck over an over …

Flailing … reaching … poking at pucks …

HUGGING THE BOARDS IN RICK NASH FASHION- PETRIFIED TO CUT TO THE MIDDLE ….

Now even tho he had 96 points - we all know something was off with his shooting game …

In fact - he’s never been the same since he spoke out about Vlad the Impaler ….

This guy is a flake ….

Time to send he’s contract West …

He doesn’t speak English but has an A ?

Piss off
 
96 points …

Laser passing …

Most assists on team

Top 5 nhl assists ….

But a complete and total no show performance….

A performance filled by leaving the zone early - the first sign of a player losing his skating ability- Panarin left defenders out to dry shift after shift after shift …

Mishandling the puck over an over …

Flailing … reaching … poking at pucks …

HUGGING THE BOARDS IN RICK NASH FASHION- PETRIFIED TO CUT TO THE MIDDLE ….

Now even tho he had 96 points - we all know something was off with his shooting game …

In fact - he’s never been the same since he spoke out about Vlad the Impaler ….

This guy is a flake ….

Time to send he’s contract West …

He doesn’t speak English but has an A ?

Piss off
He’s probably injured.

He does speak English.

This is insane.
 
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I don't know if he will ever return to the player he was when he was with Columbus and his first year here, which would really put the Rangers in a bind with his cap hit. We need him to be a lot better than he was this season.
 
He’s probably injured.

He does speak English.

This is insane.
Concussion?

No

And no it isn’t

I don't know if he will ever return to the player he was when he was with Columbus and his first year here, which would really put the Rangers in a bind with his cap hit. We need him to be a lot better than he was this season.
How Much left on contract
 
The simple truth is there are too many top contracts to create a winning team in NYR. Zibanejad and Fox are paid at a premium - which I think they deserve. Trouba's contract is questionable, he's a detriment against speedy teams where the forwards lose the pressure of the forecheck. And then we have Panarin being paid a crapload more for being a passenger when he should be the #1. In a physical playoff, that will probably never happen. Panarin is immensely skilled but he's not cut out for the do or die moments at that kind of money, no f***ing way.

So, Zibanejad and Kreider lost Buchnevich and they were a golden line. An absolute monster, top tier line. No problems with the right winger there, they poured in points. Now, imagine having Zuccarello instead of Panarin, not a big loss. He's much better 200 ft over the ice and has a ton more grit and intensity to his game, while I guess Panarin might be slightly better at the forecheck and passing.

So, Panarin is the better playmaker but Zuccarello is a passing wizard in his own regard at half the price. And he can make things happen with basically any teammates, just like Panarin only Zuccarello drives the line, Panarin seems to catch on to his teammates instead. WTF was that trainwreck hockey carried with Strome? It was a joke, it was pond hockey and voilá - it didn't work.

And the last one that falls out in terms of payment is Panarin. Zuke could feed Zibanejad one timers and occassionally score as well for half the price. Unless Panarin can reform his game in a big way he's not worth the money by a long shot, he'll probably have a great career for some mediocre team playing pond hockey.

You cannot have a player like Panarin @11.5m a year and expect the team to win anything. He's too one dimensional. It's John Tavares all over again, an ill fit, big name that is so overpaid the team is doomed. Toronto would be much better off without Tavares than with him. Same case for NYR with Panarin, they're simply monetary anchors.

That's why McDrai cannot win anything, they're too one dimensional, they are too bad defensively to carry their salaries. That kind of money for players in a salary cap world is insane and never works.

I can never forgive a business model that gives away McDonagh, Miller, Buchnevich and Zuccarello for nothing and keep having a straight face that it's working. No, just because you're rich and can bury constant mistakes, it doesn't get the team closer to winning. It just keeps spending to the top while trying to bury the constant mistakes.

So sure, the team did much more than expected. That was because of actual key players they managed to have and less of the management decisions made. I don't blame that on Drury at all. Panarin should never have been signed.

I can guarantee you a team with Buchnevich and Zuccarello in the lineup instead of Panarin would've been in the finals now.
 
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My knee-jerk reaction with how he played this playoffs is ask if he'll waive and send him wherever for whatever... 11.6 million a year, 2nd highest paid player in the league you better produce like it.... come playoff time he didnt come close to that level. And frankly the numbers wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the atrocious pond hockey and mindless giveaways we saw.

That being said, when he's on his game hes a gamebreaking, franchise level winger, one of the best in the game so he's a real asset. But theres a real accountability issue here and Im a little shocked GG hasn't really addressed it yet. All season long egregious turnover after turnover, predictable low percentage play after play, at some point the coach has to bench the guy, scratch him, demote him... something! When the guy simplifies things and starts playing the right way, getting it deep, making the smart plays, all that cute shit starts to open back up. We saw that happen more than a few times this playoff run.

Gallant/someone has to straighten the damn guy out because you just cannot pay a guy 11.6 million dollars to do what we saw this year. Maybe a solution is stack that top line with Zib and CK and move Panarin to the right side, something to try and get him out of these bad habits
Panarin has a (very) low emotional intelligence and has a degree of narcissism. Im not sure that benching him would get the message through as the effect may be the opposite.

Usually those with this psychological makeup perform better when 'praised', sometimes even incessantly.
 
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Panarin has a (very) low emotional intelligence and has a degree of narcissism. Im not sure that benching him would get the message through as the effect may be the opposite.

Usually those with this psychological makeup perform better when 'praised', sometimes even incessantly.
Lmao huh? What makes you think this?
 
The simple truth is there are too many top contracts to create a winning team in NYR. Zibanejad and Fox are paid at a premium - which I think they deserve. Trouba's contract is questionable, he's a detriment against speedy teams where the forwards lose the pressure of the forecheck. And then we have Panarin being paid a crapload more for being a passenger when he should be the #1. In a physical playoff, that will probably never happen. Panarin is immensely skilled but he's not cut out for the do or die moments at that kind of money, no f***ing way.

So, Zibanejad and Kreider lost Buchnevich and they were a golden line. An absolute monster, top tier line. No problems with the right winger there, they poured in points. Now, imagine having Zuccarello instead of Panarin, not a big loss. He's much better 200 ft over the ice and has a ton more grit and intensity to his game, while I guess Panarin might be slightly better at the forecheck and passing.

So, Panarin is the better playmaker but Zuccarello is a passing wizard in his own regard at half the price. And he can make things happen with basically any teammates, just like Panarin only Zuccarello drives the line, Panarin seems to catch on to his teammates instead. WTF was that trainwreck hockey carried with Strome? It was a joke, it was pond hockey and voilá - it didn't work.

And the last one that falls out in terms of payment is Panarin. Zuke could feed Zibanejad one timers and occassionally score as well for half the price. Unless Panarin can reform his game in a big way he's not worth the money by a long shot, he'll probably have a great career for some mediocre team playing pond hockey.

You cannot have a player like Panarin @11.5m a year and expect the team to win anything. He's too one dimensional. It's John Tavares all over again, an ill fit, big name that is so overpaid the team is doomed. Toronto would be much better off without Tavares than with him. Same case for NYR with Panarin, they're simply monetary anchors.

That's why McDrai cannot win anything, they're too one dimensional, they are too bad defensively to carry their salaries. That kind of money for players in a salary cap world is insane and never works.

I can never forgive a business model that gives away McDonagh, Miller, Buchnevich and Zuccarello for nothing and keep having a straight face that it's working. No, just because you're rich and can bury constant mistakes, it doesn't get the team closer to winning. It just keeps spending to the top while trying to bury the constant mistakes.

So sure, the team did much more than expected. That was because of actual key players they managed to have and less of the management decisions made. I don't blame that on Drury at all. Panarin should never have been signed.

I can guarantee you a team with Buchnevich and Zuccarello in the lineup instead of Panarin would've been in the finals now.
You can't guarantee anything. Panarin has been worth every cent up until this series against Tampa. Remember that red hot power play? Panarin is a key part of it.

I know losing hurts but the level of overreact is a joke. Trade Panarin? Fire Gallant? Come on. This team has to figure out how to fill the multitude of holes it's going to have but you don't spend 5 years building a core to rip it down again at the first sign of failure.
 
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The simple truth is there are too many top contracts to create a winning team in NYR. Zibanejad and Fox are paid at a premium - which I think they deserve. Trouba's contract is questionable, he's a detriment against speedy teams where the forwards lose the pressure of the forecheck. And then we have Panarin being paid a crapload more for being a passenger when he should be the #1. In a physical playoff, that will probably never happen. Panarin is immensely skilled but he's not cut out for the do or die moments at that kind of money, no f***ing way.

So, Zibanejad and Kreider lost Buchnevich and they were a golden line. An absolute monster, top tier line. No problems with the right winger there, they poured in points. Now, imagine having Zuccarello instead of Panarin, not a big loss. He's much better 200 ft over the ice and has a ton more grit and intensity to his game, while I guess Panarin might be slightly better at the forecheck and passing.

So, Panarin is the better playmaker but Zuccarello is a passing wizard in his own regard at half the price. And he can make things happen with basically any teammates, just like Panarin only Zuccarello drives the line, Panarin seems to catch on to his teammates instead. WTF was that trainwreck hockey carried with Strome? It was a joke, it was pond hockey and voilá - it didn't work.

And the last one that falls out in terms of payment is Panarin. Zuke could feed Zibanejad one timers and occassionally score as well for half the price. Unless Panarin can reform his game in a big way he's not worth the money by a long shot, he'll probably have a great career for some mediocre team playing pond hockey.

You cannot have a player like Panarin @11.5m a year and expect the team to win anything. He's too one dimensional. It's John Tavares all over again, an ill fit, big name that is so overpaid the team is doomed. Toronto would be much better off without Tavares than with him. Same case for NYR with Panarin, they're simply monetary anchors.

That's why McDrai cannot win anything, they're too one dimensional, they are too bad defensively to carry their salaries. That kind of money for players in a salary cap world is insane and never works.

I can never forgive a business model that gives away McDonagh, Miller, Buchnevich and Zuccarello for nothing and keep having a straight face that it's working. No, just because you're rich and can bury constant mistakes, it doesn't get the team closer to winning. It just keeps spending to the top while trying to bury the constant mistakes.

So sure, the team did much more than expected. That was because of actual key players they managed to have and less of the management decisions made. I don't blame that on Drury at all. Panarin should never have been signed.

I can guarantee you a team with Buchnevich and Zuccarello in the lineup instead of Panarin would've been in the finals now.
Pump the breaks
 
Honestly, Panarin did nothing at even strength this entire playoffs. It could honestly be just an off year, but it is hard to give that much money to a player to not be a difference maker during the playoffs. I think most of the team was dealing with fatigue and some injuries, but Panarin went into the playoffs like this and was mostly disappointing. I think his stats are misleading because of the power play. That is a lot of money for extremely situational production. His contract is all situations difference maker money.
We will find out if this is an aberration for the playoffs. Regardless, he was not a difference maker after his singular moment against Pittsburgh. Copp was far more of a difference maker at a far reduced price.
 
The simple truth is there are too many top contracts to create a winning team in NYR. Zibanejad and Fox are paid at a premium - which I think they deserve. Trouba's contract is questionable, he's a detriment against speedy teams where the forwards lose the pressure of the forecheck. And then we have Panarin being paid a crapload more for being a passenger when he should be the #1. In a physical playoff, that will probably never happen. Panarin is immensely skilled but he's not cut out for the do or die moments at that kind of money, no f***ing way.

So, Zibanejad and Kreider lost Buchnevich and they were a golden line. An absolute monster, top tier line. No problems with the right winger there, they poured in points. Now, imagine having Zuccarello instead of Panarin, not a big loss. He's much better 200 ft over the ice and has a ton more grit and intensity to his game, while I guess Panarin might be slightly better at the forecheck and passing.

So, Panarin is the better playmaker but Zuccarello is a passing wizard in his own regard at half the price. And he can make things happen with basically any teammates, just like Panarin only Zuccarello drives the line, Panarin seems to catch on to his teammates instead. WTF was that trainwreck hockey carried with Strome? It was a joke, it was pond hockey and voilá - it didn't work.

And the last one that falls out in terms of payment is Panarin. Zuke could feed Zibanejad one timers and occassionally score as well for half the price. Unless Panarin can reform his game in a big way he's not worth the money by a long shot, he'll probably have a great career for some mediocre team playing pond hockey.

You cannot have a player like Panarin @11.5m a year and expect the team to win anything. He's too one dimensional. It's John Tavares all over again, an ill fit, big name that is so overpaid the team is doomed. Toronto would be much better off without Tavares than with him. Same case for NYR with Panarin, they're simply monetary anchors.

That's why McDrai cannot win anything, they're too one dimensional, they are too bad defensively to carry their salaries. That kind of money for players in a salary cap world is insane and never works.

I can never forgive a business model that gives away McDonagh, Miller, Buchnevich and Zuccarello for nothing and keep having a straight face that it's working. No, just because you're rich and can bury constant mistakes, it doesn't get the team closer to winning. It just keeps spending to the top while trying to bury the constant mistakes.

So sure, the team did much more than expected. That was because of actual key players they managed to have and less of the management decisions made. I don't blame that on Drury at all. Panarin should never have been signed.

I can guarantee you a team with Buchnevich and Zuccarello in the lineup instead of Panarin would've been in the finals now.
You can't guarantee anything. Panarin has been worth every cent up until this series against Tampa. Remember that red hot power play? Panarin is a key part of it.

I know losing hurts but the level of overreact is a joke. Trade Panarin? Fire Gallant? Come on. This team has to figure out how to fill the multitude of holes it's going to have but you don't spend 5 years building a core to rip it down again at the first sign of failure.
 
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Panerin was one of the few forwards skating hard last night.
I have seen almost every player outside of Shesty, Laf, and Chytil bashed on this board. Hard to believe they are all so bad considering we were one of the last 3 teams playing.
 
Panerin was one of the few forwards skating hard last night.
I have seen almost every player outside of Shesty, Laf, and Chytil bashed on this board. Hard to believe they are all so bad considering we were one of the last 3 teams playing.

Well, I mean… there’s also a reason he’s not just winning the Vezina but is a Hart finalist. A goalie has only won the Hart 8x ever, and only 7 have done it. I don’t think he is winning it, but to even be nominated shows how rare it is and how large an impact he had. Henrik never had a Hart nomination. He really did cover a lot of warts and certainly helped drag us further than we likely would have gone. That’s tough to dispute. Panarin did skate harder in games 5 and 6, but was still turnover prone and largely unnoticeable, and it was also too little too late. We are a flawed team that has a lot of good parts, a lot of parts with good potential, some obvious holes and was ultimately greater than the sum of our parts this year. I will not expect this team to be guaranteed to be back in the ECF any time soon. I like our chances as much as anyone else’s but nothing is a given and we clearly over achieved. Simply saying “well we were one of the last 3 teams playing” is like Montreal fans saying they went to the Cup last year - it’s true, but it doesn’t change the fact that they over achieved.
 
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Well, I mean… there’s also a reason he’s not just winning the Vezina but is a Hart finalist. He really did cover a lot of warts and certainly helped drag us further than we likely would have gone. That’s tough to dispute. Panarin did skate harder in games 5 and 6, but was still turnover prone and largely unnoticeable, and it was also too little too late. We are a flawed team that has a lot of good parts, a lot of parts with good potential, some obvious holes and was ultimately greater than the sum of our parts this year. I will not expect this team to be guaranteed to be back in the ECF any time soon. I like our chances as much as anyone else’s but nothing is a given and we clearly over achieved. Simply saying “well we were one of the last 3 teams playing” is like Montreal fans saying they went to the Cup last year - it’s true, but it doesn’t change the fact that they over achieved.
Every team is flawed including champions. Shesty played great but so did Vasc and almost every game vs the 2 time champions were 1 goal games empty nets aside. We competed. Despite our injuries and being totally gassed we were right there. We do need to improve but this was a great run by a team that hadn't been in the playoffs in 5 years. The players and coaches all did a good job. Its not just 1 player.
 

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