Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Would love to watch a version of the video with subtitles if anyone has one to link.

 

[mas0764]

Not sure what you mean by this

I was making a joke since another poster used that line on you.

 

[haveandare]

I was making a joke since another poster used that line on you.

Lol ahh, I get it now. Been a long week, not operating at full capacity.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

If Panarin comes to NYC and puts up the kind of points that an $11m player should, I find it hard to imagine he will not have significant opportunities to supplement his salary.

I think that if he puts up 50-60 goals this year, he's going to donate all of his salary and ask if he could play for free just to be in NYC.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I was making a joke since another poster used that line on you.

He didn't get it bc it didn't make sense..

You're also wrong to say I "used it on him"...because I didn't.

I didn't quote him. I wasn't even talking to him when I said it. Literally IN the comment you cherry picked I say that it's a general comment.

I said pretending like he took any kind of significant discount is a little dishonest bc of the ton of money and years that he still took.

Let's actually look at what I said, including context, since reading context is extremely important if you want to have an honest discussion.

Also (just a general point here, not directed at you) the narrative that he took less money is a little dishonest. Objective fans laugh at it for good reason.

He took a LITTLE less money while still taking a TON of it. The much more important and more on the nose narrative is that we still overpaid bc that's the FA game.

We just overpaid by a LITTLE less than the other team would have. Other fans who do not have skin in the game see this and laugh at the very real possibility that "OOp! There go the NYR again, signing their next albatross!"

It matters much more whether his performance lives up to his pay.

I tried to be really fair, go into great detail about why I felt the way I did in order to promote an actual discussion

I acknowledged that he took a slight discount. I just disagree with acting like it's a significant discount in the context of his age, performance, the cap and what is peers are doing.

Then you're wrong or what I think is happening is you are missing the context of this conversation . We are not talking about a human beings salary in a vacuum. For a regular person, 1 M dollars is a lot to give up, sure. If we were having a basic conversation about a human beings salary then we'd be in agreement but this is not a simple discussion about a human beings salary. This a discussion about the cap hit that comes with the salary AND years compared to performance.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Panarin has a really active Instagram. Pretty nice because not a lot of Rangers are the same. My main takeaway is that this dude is beyond thrilled to be a Ranger. Every single thing he posts has to do with the Rangers. Rangers workout clothes, Rangers jerseys, reposts of pics from his intro in NY weeks later. This dude could not be happier to be a Ranger and I love it.

Yeah, instagram is my preferred forum as far as social media. I follow a ton of guys, non-Rangers too. I always follow our boys though. I have to be honest I’m pretty stoked about the signing after watching him this past month (I added him after the signing).

You are not only correct that it is obvious this is where he wants to be but it seems like he’s taking a lot of pride in being a New York Ranger and this is genuinely where he wanted to be. He is absolutely working his tail off to get ready for this season. I have a great feeling about this singing, I think this guy is ready to step into the spot light and be a Superstar this team has lacked.

Outside of Hank, I would say we haven’t had a star who can perform and handle the big lights since Jags.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Well, as I said umpteen times over the last two seasons, I was on the fence about whether signing him was the right move. But I’ve loved literally everything he has done and said since bringing him on board. Now that it’s a done deal, I’m so pumped to watch him play for the Rangers.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Well, as I said umpteen times over the last two seasons, I was on the fence about whether signing him was the right move. But I’ve loved literally everything he has done and said since bringing him on board. Now that it’s a done deal, I’m so pumped to watch him play for the Rangers.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Nvm. What I'm replying to was just a personal attack.

 

[nyr2k2]

I still don't really like the whole concept of "Free Agent X was overpaid!" Panarin, for example, we knew going in he'd probably sign a deal in that neighborhood based on some of the other deals that have been signed, we know that other teams were offering him deals in the $11M-$13M range, and he eventually signed there. The market dictated his price tag. Is it an overpayment if a player receives what the market has determined he is worth? No, it's not. If the market says a guy is probably worth X based on previous contracts and you sign him for X, it's not an overpayment. We might feel like it is, but feelings don't matter when these guys hit the open market. They'll get what they're worth.

The only exception would be if multiple teams were offering a guy a certain number, and then some team jumps in that really wants him and gives him $2M more per annum or something. Then yeah, you can probably say that's an overpayment. But that's not what happened in Panarin's case. Honestly, our two big signings, Panarin and Trouba, they both came in almost exactly where most people felt they would, in term and dollars. 7x8 is exactly what I guessed for Trouba and I thought Panarin would be 7x11-12, so that one was right, too. And again, we may feel like that's more money than they're worth, but there's plenty of quantitative data to look at to give you an idea of what a guy will be worth. Panarin is worth what we paid him. He just needs to live up to it on the ice.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I still don't really like the whole concept of "Free Agent X was overpaid!" Panarin, for example, we knew going in he'd probably sign a deal in that neighborhood based on some of the other deals that have been signed, we know that other teams were offering him deals in the $11M-$13M range, and he eventually signed there. The market dictated his price tag. Is it an overpayment if a player receives what the market has determined he is worth? No, it's not. If the market says a guy is probably worth X based on previous contracts and you sign him for X, it's not an overpayment. We might feel like it is, but feelings don't matter when these guys hit the open market. They'll get what they're worth.

The only exception would be if multiple teams were offering a guy a certain number, and then some team jumps in that really wants him and gives him $2M more per annum or something. Then yeah, you can probably say that's an overpayment. But that's not what happened in Panarin's case. Honestly, our two big signings, Panarin and Trouba, they both came in almost exactly where most people felt they would, in term and dollars. 7x8 is exactly what I guessed for Trouba and I thought Panarin would be 7x11-12, so that one was right, too. And again, we may feel like that's more money than they're worth, but there's plenty of quantitative data to look at to give you an idea of what a guy will be worth. Panarin is worth what we paid him. He just needs to live up to it on the ice.

Oh I fully acknowledge he got paid what a free agent should.

I just also acknowledge hes very likely to be overpaid based on his age and likely performance drop as the contract continues.

Brad Richard's got exactly what a free agent should have. But we ALL know that he ended up horribly overpaid. Sone free agents wind up not overpaid in the least. Others drop off but not as badly.

Weve had scott Gomez, drury, kotalik, redden, poti, richards, etc, etc.

I question if this guy will earn his money during the majority of this contract.

I also question if he'll be an albatross right when the current youth is ready to compete

 

[aufheben]

Panarin has played 75 more games than Brady Skjei. Comparing him to Brad Richards is meaningless.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Panarin has played 75 more games than Brady Skjei. Comparing him to Brad Richards is meaningless.

You're allowed to be completely wrong

Well...ok not completely. Im sure the number of games thing you said is probably accurate. I'm referring to the other half

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Panarin has played 75 more games than Brady Skjei. Comparing him to Brad Richards is meaningless.

Kinda...sort of...

The foreign games played only count sometimes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Oh I fully acknowledge he got paid what a free agent should.

I just also acknowledge hes very likely to be overpaid based on his age and likely performance drop as the contract continues.

Brad Richard's got exactly what a free agent should have. But we ALL know that he ended up horribly overpaid. Sone free agents wind up not overpaid in the least. Others drop off but not as badly.

Weve had scott Gomez, drury, kotalik, redden, poti, richards, etc, etc.

I question if this guy will earn his money during the majority of this contract.

I also question if he'll be an albatross right when the current youth is ready to compete

Brad Richards in 2011: 31 years old, 772 NHL games, 6 KHL games. 778 total
Artemi Panarin in 2019: 27 years old, 332 NHL games, 263 KHL games, 595 total

How are we discussing Richards when talking about Panarin exactly?

Even without the argument that KHL games are a lot less of a strain on the body than NHL games, and should therefore not count as heavily when calculating the "miles on the body" so to speak, Panarin is still 200 games short of reaching Richards' totals at the moment of signing with the Rangers as a free agent

 

[Foppberg]

Oh I fully acknowledge he got paid what a free agent should.

I just also acknowledge hes very likely to be overpaid based on his age and likely performance drop as the contract continues.

Brad Richard's got exactly what a free agent should have. But we ALL know that he ended up horribly overpaid. Sone free agents wind up not overpaid in the least. Others drop off but not as badly.

Weve had scott Gomez, drury, kotalik, redden, poti, richards, etc, etc.

I question if this guy will earn his money during the majority of this contract.

I also question if he'll be an albatross right when the current youth is ready to compete

Panarin is much better than any of those guys. Guy's in his prime and hasn't gone through the rigor of the NHL for very long.

 

[Levitate]

Brad Richards in 2011: 31 years old, 772 NHL games, 6 KHL games. 778 total
Artemi Panarin in 2019: 27 years old, 332 NHL games, 263 KHL games, 595 total

How are we discussing Richards when talking about Panarin exactly?

Even without the argument that KHL games are a lot less of a strain on the body than NHL games, and should therefore not count as heavily when calculating the "miles on the body" so to speak, Panarin is still 200 games short of reaching Richards' totals at the moment of signing with the Rangers as a free agent

Less wear and tear is a good thing but the real issue with players at 30+ is stuff like reflexes not being as good etc.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Less wear and tear is a good thing but the real issue with players at 30+ is stuff like reflexes not being as good etc.

Richards joined in 2011 and had 2 good years with the Rangers, until the age of 33. If we really have to compare that to Panarin, we should get 6 good years out of him, until the age of 33.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Doctyl]

Brad Richards in 2011: 31 years old, 772 NHL games, 6 KHL games. 778 total
Artemi Panarin in 2019: 27 years old, 332 NHL games, 263 KHL games, 595 total

How are we discussing Richards when talking about Panarin exactly?

Even without the argument that KHL games are a lot less of a strain on the body than NHL games, and should therefore not count as heavily when calculating the "miles on the body" so to speak, Panarin is still 200 games short of reaching Richards' totals at the moment of signing with the Rangers as a free agent

Because the concussed 31 year old was the last big mistake signing we made and no one can ever be happy

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Shame the Poly board is gone and we can't really talk about this

 

[haveandare]

Shame the Poly board is gone and we can't really talk about this

Agreed.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Let him claim American citizenship and play for the US. Adam Banks style revenge.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

As someone with Ukrainian (I know it's a different country) heritage this is embarrassing to me.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Brad Richards in 2011: 31 years old, 772 NHL games, 6 KHL games. 778 total
Artemi Panarin in 2019: 27 years old, 332 NHL games, 263 KHL games, 595 total

How are we discussing Richards when talking about Panarin exactly?

Even without the argument that KHL games are a lot less of a strain on the body than NHL games, and should therefore not count as heavily when calculating the "miles on the body" so to speak, Panarin is still 200 games short of reaching Richards' totals at the moment of signing with the Rangers as a free agent

Because we ARENT discussing Brad Richards and artemi. We're discussing a point where I could have used countless other examples, examples I literally named right after I gave the Richards example yet everyone seems to be glossing over that.

A point about age that none of us has the answer to. A point that has been discussed so often here, especially with THIS team, that I'm shocked any of you zeroed in on Richard's (again...when there was a list of other names immediately after it).

It's beyond me that Any nyr fan wants to pretend like they dont understand why age is a concern here. I get it if YOU want to believe artemi is an exceptional talent, with less nhl wear and tear, who will stay elite until he's 33 but to pretend like it's a lock? It's like I'm in an alternate universe

Not one of you has bothered to provide any sort of research to highlight why artemi is guaranteed to last. No data about khl player ages. No Information about special training hes doing to preserve his speed, power and reflexes. Nothing. It's all a hope and a prayer that people here seem to cling to for dear life.

I'm in on the hope but I dont blindly ascribe to it