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Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

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bashbros32 said:
I agree that the player playing the best should be first up... however I don't agree that the reward should be 3 weeks in the press box.

Especially when the 7th d above you is statistically the worst defenseman in the league.
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NHL paycheque even if not playing. 2 weeks on the NHL roster doubles his pay.
 
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aragorn said:
I think it is more a case of development & rather than calling a player up who may or may not get into games & just be there on standby then I would rather it be an older player like Heatherington than a young guy who should be playing regularly & developing.
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Why would any call up be sitting when we have Zaitsev
 
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Burrowsaurus said:
Why would any call up be sitting when we have Zaitsev
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Zaitsev has more NHL experience, I'm not defending Zaitsev in the lineup, but it's obvious why. They are not losing because Zaitsev is in the lineup, they are losing because they are a young team that makes way too many mistakes.
 
GCK said:
NHL paycheque even if not playing. 2 weeks on the NHL roster doubles his pay.
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We have seen the Sens reward older players playing in Belleville before by bringing them up & even if they don't get into games they still get an NHL salary for sitting in the stands. It's one of those good things to do for players that they hopefully appreciate that help pay the bills in the real world & gets around the NHL & the AHL. It helps with the overall perception of the team that could help in bringing players here or Belleville knowing that they could get rewarding for helping out the franchise. It's a good thing to do.
 
aragorn said:
Zaitsev has more NHL experience, I'm not defending Zaitsev in the lineup, but it's obvious why. They are not losing because Zaitsev is in the lineup, they are losing because they are a young team that makes way too many mistakes.
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We are a team that makes too many mistakes. Not a “young team” that makes too many mistakes. Zaitsev makes more mistakes than anyone he isn’t young. Zaitsev contributes to the mistake making
 
Looking the UFA class for defensemen next year safe to say Zub is going to get paid...5 to 6 mil may not cut it TBH
 
aragorn said:
Zaitsev has more NHL experience, I'm not defending Zaitsev in the lineup, but it's obvious why. They are not losing because Zaitsev is in the lineup, they are losing because they are a young team that makes way too many mistakes.
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To be fair he makes the most mistakes the most frequently. They never retain possession when he is on the ice. Dorion has to take the decision away from DJ. He won't do it on his own.
 
bert said:
To be fair he makes the most mistakes the most frequently. They never retain possession when he is on the ice. Dorion has to take the decision away from DJ. He won't do it on his own.
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Zaitsev played one game when Zub was healthy and was relegated to the bottom pair and PK duties last night, I think DJ just did do it on his own.
 
Micklebot said:
Zaitsev played one game when Zub was healthy and was relegated to the bottom pair and PK duties last night, I think DJ just did do it on his own.
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He shouldn't be playing shouldn't have played that game and he certainly shouldn't have as much ice time as he has had the last two games. It's absurd.
 
bert said:
He shouldn't be playing shouldn't have played that game and he certainly shouldn't have as much ice time as he has had the last two games. It's absurd.
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He played 10 mins of PK last night and did pretty damn well at it, he had the lowest 5V5 toi by a healthy margin, nothing wrong with his usage last night, we deployed him in the role he's actually effective in and kept him off the ice in the role he isn't.
 
Micklebot said:
He played 10 mins of PK last night and did pretty damn well at it, he had the lowest 5V5 toi by a healthy margin, nothing wrong with his usage last night, we deployed him in the role he's actually effective in and kept him off the ice in the role he isn't.
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Why was he on the ice for the 3rd goal against? He wasn't able to complete a pass all night and his D on that goal was a joke. Spinning around in the crease taking no one. They're 0-4 with him in the lineup and he is as bad by the eye test and the advanced metrics. He should not he playing under any circumstance. He's not an NHL player he's horrible.
 
bert said:
Why was he on the ice for the 3rd goal against? He wasn't able to complete a pass all night and his D on that goal was a joke. Spinning around in the crease taking no one. They're 0-4 with him in the lineup and he is as bad by the eye test and the advanced metrics. He should not he playing under any circumstance. He's not an NHL player he's horrible.
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Well until we get another NHL caliber Dman or Zub gets healthy we don't have a ton of options. I'd call up JBD or Thomson to give one of them a shot, but until Dorion does that DJ needs to work with what he has, Heatherington playing his off side isn't the answer imo.
 
Micklebot said:
Well until we get another NHL caliber Dman or Zub gets healthy we don't have a ton of options. I'd call up JBD or Thomson to give one of them a shot, but until Dorion does that DJ needs to work with what he has, Heatherington playing his off side isn't the answer imo.
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He doesn't need to play his off side. Play Sanderson or Brannstrom with Chabot. Play Holden on the right side. We have a hole at RD and its been obvious for quite a while. We needed to add NHL depth there period. If a top 4 wasn't available then another reliable D would be a band aid until one was available.
I like JBD over Thomson personally. Although I can see some attributes people like in Thomson more.
I don't think either are the answer for this roster right now. I think another year or most of it for both and also for Guenette who could be the dark horse in that race to the NHL is needed. Its a turn buckle without a solution right now.

What every configuration you come up with now is going to be flawed.
 
bert said:
To be fair he makes the most mistakes the most frequently. They never retain possession when he is on the ice. Dorion has to take the decision away from DJ. He won't do it on his own.
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DJ will do it on his own. If Dorion called up either JBD or Thomson I am certain Zaitsev would be scratched like he was when Zub and Holden were both healthy.
 
GCK said:
DJ will do it on his own. If Dorion called up either JBD or Thomson I am certain Zaitsev would be scratched like he was when Zub and Holden were both healthy.
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I was hoping we'd see a callup today, get JBD or Thomson up for a few games on home ice where we can control the matchups a bit.
 
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GCK said:
DJ will do it on his own. If Dorion called up either JBD or Thomson I am certain Zaitsev would be scratched like he was when Zub and Holden were both healthy.
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Zaitsev played a game when Holden was healthy and they were on a 4 game winning streak. Was shocking.
 
bert said:
Zaitsev played a game when Holden was healthy and they were on a 4 game winning streak. Was shocking.
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I didn’t love that at all. I expected to see Zaitsev in for Holden every now and then but not coming off 4 straight wins especially if you are only giving Zaitsev 12 minutes.
 
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topshelf15 said:
Looking the UFA class for defensemen next year safe to say Zub is going to get paid...5 to 6 mil may not cut it TBH
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Agent Zub said:
Zub is this teams MVP.
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He has the highest marginal value on the team and Dorion needs to trade for another top 4 RD so that that isn't true. Right now Zub is more valuable than all these $8m and $9m players, and that's going to give him leverage to command $6m+.

Any player that can say "if you don't pay me, your team will suck" is going to be rolling in money.
 
majormajor said:
He has the highest marginal value on the team and Dorion needs to trade for another top 4 RD so that that isn't true. Right now Zub is more valuable than all these $8m and $9m players, and that's going to give him leverage to command $6m+.

Any player that can say "if you don't pay me, your team will suck" is going to be rolling in money.
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youre right without Zub this team doesn't work, it is sheep in wolfs clothing. We can take an injury to every other player except Zub.

Not to mention Zub being the fan favourite. The crowds relationship to him tangibly adds to the atmosphere of the rink which is important when you're trying to attract crowds. Of all players I think the crowd is happiest to see Zub score.

Should have just signed Zub to a fat contract from the start and avoided this mess.
 
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