Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[Micklebot]

When teams lose a top end D man, the #7 guy ends up playing or a call up that is playing top minutes in the AHL ends up playing.

Good teams don't have replacement level players stashed away when a player of Zub's calibre goes down.

Someone needs to step up. As is the case for every other team..

Good teams have guys in their top 6 that can handle an expanded role, if the injury were on the left side, I'd say we'd be fine as Brannstrom and Sanderson are both capable of playing a bigger role imo, our depth on the right side is more questionable. Idk that we can ask much more of Hamonic, Holden or Zaitsev.

I'm hopeful that JBD can fill in, he's not Zub, but I think he might be able grow into a top 4 role. Whether he's ready for that now though, idk.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Ohhhhh boy. Looks like Zaitsev is going to get every opportunity (again) to prove that he isn’t an elite defender

Really doesn’t bode well for what the org thinks jbd and lassi are at this stage.

 

[bashbros32]

When teams lose a top end D man, the #7 guy ends up playing or a call up that is playing top minutes in the AHL ends up playing.

Good teams don't have replacement level players stashed away when a player of Zub's calibre goes down.

Someone needs to step up. As is the case for every other team..

BOS - Jakob Zboril
CGY - Connor Mackey
VGK - Ben Hutton
CAR - Dylan Coghlan
PHI - Rasmus Ristolainen
DAL - Joel Hanley
PIT - Chad Ruhwedel
COL - Kurtis MacDermid
EDM - Markus Niemelainen
BUF - Casey Fitzgerald
OTT - Nikita Zaitsev
NJD - Kevin Bahl
CHI - Jake McCabe
WPG - Dylan Samberg
DET - N/A (Must be nice)
FLA - Matt Kiersted

BOS - Dan Renouf
BOS - Anton Stralman
COL - Jacob MacDonald
BUF - Lawrence Pilut
CHI - Alec Regula
FLA - Lucas Carlsson

These are the 7th (and 8th and 9th for some) defencemen that have played for the top 16 teams in the league.

Not really a whole heck of a lot of talent there.

Ohhhhh boy. Looks like Zaitsev is going to get every opportunity (again) to prove that he isn’t an elite defender

Really doesn’t bode well for what the org thinks jbd and lassi are at this stage.

I may be reading WAY too into this... but isn't this a development year? Why not recall both JBD and Thomson, slide one with Chabot, the more defensive one with Brannstrom, and sit both Holden and Zaitsev?

feels like either the team really thinks we are in a win now mode, and heatherington (in there opinion) gives us the best chance to win now, or the team has soured on the RHD rookies, or for some reason doesn't want them playing yet?

IDK someone tell me why this is a good thing.

 

[Micklebot]

Ohhhhh boy. Looks like Zaitsev is going to get every opportunity (again) to prove that he isn’t an elite defender

Really doesn’t bode well for what the org thinks jbd and lassi are at this stage.

It means they want to bring JBD or Thomson up once, and keep them up from that point on. They've already talked about not wanting developing players yo-yoing up and down. The plan is clearly to run with Zaitsev and Holden, whoever we call up likely won't play.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It means they want to bring JBD or Thomson up once, and keep them up from that point on. They've already talked about not wanting developing players yo-yoing up and down. The plan is clearly to run with Zaitsev and Holden, whoever we call up likely won't play.

It’s part of development to get some reps. It’s not “yo yoing”

Running with Zaitsev hasn’t worked for anyone ever.

 

[Micklebot]

It’s part of development to get some reps. It’s not “yo yoing”

Running with Zaitsev hasn’t worked for anyone ever.

They get a lot more reps playing 25 mins in Belleville than 12 in Ottawa. They'll get their turn,

 

[Burrowsaurus]

They get a lot more reps playing 25 mins in Belleville than 12 in Ottawa. They'll get their turn,

I’m looking to win. They’re capable of playing a couple a game while zub gets healthy. Their development won’t be obliterated because they came up for 2 weeks. In fact…they’ve both spent time with us before. And posters are still high on them

 

[Xspyrit]

Yes every team goes through injury problems but why are the Sens constantly among the most negatively impacted by injuries teams almost every season? It took 6 games and we're without a Top-6 center and without our best RHD. Oh and without our 1B goalie

 

[Korpse]

I may be reading WAY too into this... but isn't this a development year? Why not recall both JBD and Thomson, slide one with Chabot, the more defensive one with Brannstrom, and sit both Holden and Zaitsev?

feels like either the team really thinks we are in a win now mode, and heatherington (in there opinion) gives us the best chance to win now, or the team has soured on the RHD rookies, or for some reason doesn't want them playing yet?

IDK someone tell me why this is a good thing.

Well the team is in win now mode. Not that winning is a must right now but the goal is to be in the playoff hunt. The organization over time has shown they don't like shuttling players back and forth between the AHL and NHL. Zub's injury is short term, Heatherington isn't going to see much ice if he see's any at all.

 

[GCK]

Yes every team goes through injury problems but why are the Sens constantly among the most negatively impacted by injuries teams almost every season? It took 6 games and we're without a Top-6 center and without our best RHD. Oh and without our 1B goalie

This is comparable to Toronto losing Tavares to go along with the Muzzin and Murray injuries.

 

[HSF]

Yes every team goes through injury problems but why are the Sens constantly among the most negatively impacted by injuries teams almost every season? It took 6 games and we're without a Top-6 center and without our best RHD. Oh and without our 1B goalie

a lot of teams are losing players and are still finding ways. Fla lost Ekblad, Philly lost Couteurier, Bos lost Marchand and lost Krejci

Gotta find a way and if the depth is weak then thats on the GM

 

[playasRus]

Sneak peak of the team without Zub so far?

 

[Xspyrit]

This is comparable to Toronto losing Tavares to go along with the Muzzin and Murray injuries.

a lot of teams are losing players and are still finding ways. Fla lost Ekblad, Philly lost Couteurier, Bos lost Marchand and lost Krejci

Gotta find a way and if the depth is weak then thats on the GM

I have been following the NHL for long enough to know this but my point is more : why does it always seem like we are amongst the teams that have it the worse with the injuries? It's been really terrible for a while

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

It's because our team has sucked so bad recently that a single injury to a competent player on the team is a monumental loss.

I have been following the NHL for long enough to know this but my point is more : why does it always seem like we are amongst the teams that have it the worse with the injuries? It's been really terrible for a while

 

[Xspyrit]

It's because our team has sucked so bad recently that a single injury to a competent player on the team is a monumental loss.

Yes but it seems that only important Sens players get injured.

Last year we had Norris, Batherson, Brown, Chabot and Murray losing several games

 

[Alex1234]

Is he ever important to this team hey?

 

[aragorn]

Norris is more important to this team than people realize, just because he isn't as flashy as some he does all of the little things good teams do to win games.

 

[bert]

I’m looking to win. They’re capable of playing a couple a game while zub gets healthy. Their development won’t be obliterated because they came up for 2 weeks. In fact…they’ve both spent time with us before. And posters are still high on them

By the sounds of it Heatherington has been the best D man down there so he got the call.

Norris is more important to this team than people realize, just because he isn't as flashy as some he does all of the little things good teams do to win games.

Yeah he is a very important player. Him and Zub are kinda the equivalent up front and on D they are quietly very good players. Always on the right side of the puck while being hard to play against.

a lot of teams are losing players and are still finding ways. Fla lost Ekblad, Philly lost Couteurier, Bos lost Marchand and lost Krejci

Gotta find a way and if the depth is weak then thats on the GM

Or the teams best players are stepping up and elevating. The sens best players have done the opposite the last two games. Thats the difference between a veteran team and a young team in my opinion.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

By the sounds of it Heatherington has been the best D man down there so he got the call.

ok…I understand that. I get that. But unless there are work ethic concerns on jbd and thomson. It’s important that they’re up in these short spurts. Especially since jbd was one of the final d cuts. Heatherington is fine but he’s got no future here and he has no place in the present either.

 

[bert]

ok…I understand that. I get that. But unless there are work ethic concerns on jbd and thomson. It’s important that they’re up in these short spurts. Especially since jbd was one of the final d cuts. Heatherington is fine but he’s got no future here and he has no place in the present either.

I dunno you need to set the standard that the players that are playing the best get the call. Thats how teams with winning cultures operate. Development teams that are giving up on the season favor youth over performance. If he has been their best D he should get called up. If he is playing better than them, then he has a place in the present. He's also bigger than those two guys and plays a more physical game and thats what they are replacing in Zub.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I dunno you need to set the standard that the players that are playing the best get the call. Thats how teams with winning cultures operate. Development teams that are giving up on the season favor youth over performance. If he has been their best D he should get called up. If he is playing better than them, then he has a place in the present. He's also bigger than those two guys and plays a more physical game and thats what they are replacing in Zub.

Are they replacing zub with him? He hasn’t even played. They’re not comfortable playing him over Zaitsev at the moment. Thomson has played well with Chabot before

 

[bert]

Are they replacing zub with him? He hasn’t even played. They’re not comfortable playing him over Zaitsev at the moment. Thomson has played well with Chabot before

Do you dissagree that the player playing the best shouldnt get called up? The Zaitsev thing is bizarre.

I agree Thomson has been the best call up but if he isnt playing better that sets a bad example.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Do you dissagree that the player playing the best shouldnt get called up? The Zaitsev thing is bizarre.

I agree Thomson has been the best call up but if he isnt playing better that sets a bad example.

I think there’s a buffer. If heatherington is playing slightly better but is not going to play and doesn’t fit on the roster then I think thomson (for example) should get the call up. As he’s can help us win. A riGht d man went down. A right d man should get the call (within reason). If one of the left d got hurt then I can see heatherington get the call. But this seems like just a oaycheque

Now if heatherington is just killing those guys and thomson is screwing the dog then yeah, a message needs to be sent

 

[bashbros32]

Do you dissagree that the player playing the best shouldnt get called up? The Zaitsev thing is bizarre.

I agree Thomson has been the best call up but if he isnt playing better that sets a bad example.

I agree that the player playing the best should be first up... however I don't agree that the reward should be 3 weeks in the press box.

Especially when the 7th d above you is statistically the worst defenseman in the league.

 

[aragorn]

I think it is more a case of development & rather than calling a player up who may or may not get into games & just be there on standby then I would rather it be an older player like Heatherington than a young guy who should be playing regularly & developing.