Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open

[Beerz]

Because the next time a freak accident happens I might be the one accused on ending someones life.

Imagine if the dude had no ill intent and got ramped of the other players leg. And now he is crucified worldwide and might even go to prison!

Standing up for innocent til proven guilty should be the logical way to access this situation! Not call for blood based on guessing!

Nobody is calling for blood. We just agree with the decision to charge him

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Saw this comment on Reddit regarding UK laws regarding manslaughter:



The only argument that can be made is that he intentionally kicked Johnson and that it violates one of these, but that seems like a huge stretch. I sincerely doubt he gets charged, but it’s a joke that it’s even getting to this point.

He may have admitted to the cops he was trying to kick Johnson

 

[Score08]

Not the first time he accidentally kicked a guy in a extremely similar circumstance . There’s a clip of him doing this same thing from 3+ years ago . This could be a reason why charges are being filed . Maybe they dug and found evidence that pointed to it not being an accident.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You don't need intent for manslaughter.

He needs intent to commit the act that resulted in the death, not intend for the death itself. Leg accidentally flies up and hits Johnson = accident with no crime. Intends to kick Johnson and it results in his death (even without intent to kill) = manslaughter.

 

[Beerz]

He needs intent to commit the act that resulted in the death, not intend for the death itself. Leg accidentally flies up and hits Johnson = accident with no crime. Intends to kick Johnson and it results in his death (even without intent to kill) = manslaughter.

Correct.

 

[Dessloch]

Not the first time he accidentally kicked a guy in a extremely similar circumstance . There’s a clip of him doing this same thing from 3+ years ago . This could be a reason why charges are being filed . Maybe they dug and found evidence that pointed to it not being an accident.

Where is that clip? I have seen multiple people speaking about it on multiple platforms and everytime I ask for a link to a video of I get nothing in return. So until I see it I will assume its hearsay.

 

[Statto]

BBC is the police? Good to know.

They quote the police. The bbc are not allowed to name him even if they know who he is. He will only be officially named if he is charges, until then further media reporting won’t name him. Nor should bloggers etc in the uk.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

He needs intent to commit the act that resulted in the death, not intend for the death itself. Leg accidentally flies up and hits Johnson = accident with no crime. Intends to kick Johnson and it results in his death (even without intent to kill) = manslaughter.

Why is this soo difficult to understand?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

So then you must believe there was intent because that's the only way this makes sense

My opinion is that he tried to hit Johnson, lost his footing, and tried to clip his body with his leg as he fell to impede Johnson’s progress. I do not think he meant to hit him with the blade or kill him. Unfortunately that is what happened.

The good news is that I’m not the arbiter of justice in the UK so there is no need to get angry at me. An investigation will play out by smarter people than me, who have access to all the facts, and as a result I’ll accept the system’s conclusion when it comes. Regardless if the conclusion agrees with my original thoughts on the matter.

 

[WarriorofTime]

At the end of the day, I can't really see him being convicted and thus I think it's fairly unlikely charges are filed. Each side can call 10 different hockey experts that can say "that's not a natural hockey play, he intended to kick" or "he was off-balance and his leg flew up, he didn't intend to kick" and with how fast it all happened, I think it's going to be hard/impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was a criminal act.

A civil suit for damages, if Johnson's family chose to pursue that route, is much closer call as that is a preponderance of evidence (although don't know how it is in U.K., the U.S. is a much more litigious culture so it's likely harder to recover there)

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Nice to see the resident HFBoards legal experts are still doing their thing. Actually, maybe nice isn't the right word. If ya'll think police would just arrest someone if they didn't have good reason to believe they are guilty, then I don't know what to tell you. Weird how invested some people are in defending this guy whose actions directly led to another man's death.

Right? Makes me wonder why we even have courts, just lock him up forever immediately ugh

 

[OG Eberle]

not arguing the definition of manslaugher just you stating that "Flailing your leg into the sky on hits when literally no other player in hockey does this" when there are dozens and dozens of youtube videos you can watch of exactly that happening

Well if thats what you want to argue, then I'd say off the single video someone posted of him being hit from the side on a routine play and doing a full 360 in the air like a saw blade, he either has the worst balance and technique I've ever seen if thats routine for him, or its an isolated incident that the prosecutors will try and use against him.

And if you see plays like that with guys spinning like that in your hockey leagues, I don't know what to say man lol. Played and seen a lot of hockey and legs going into the air. I get on some awkward hits it happens. The one video I'm referring to is a bit much if you're being objective. But again, could just be an isolated incident caught on camera unfortunately for him.

 

[Oddbob]

Again, it's not weird if you remove the assumption that him sticking his leg out that high was intentional.

I'm just not going to accuse someone of murder or manslaughter based on a blurry video, especially when it contradicts statements from the victim's teammate who had a close view of what happened.

To be fair, have seen lots of hockey hits, have never seen any players legs go up the way this player's did. It very much looks like he is purposely leading his legs up. It didn't look like the natural way his body should have gone after his hit on the other player.

 

[Oddbob]

Intent to kill... no. Intent to recklessly swing his leg... yes

This is my feeling on it as well.

 

[BlackstronautMoondic]

Is it possible to divorce what actually happened from the culture war bullshit at this point

You can ignore your enemy but he won’t ignore you

 

[Guffman]

Said it before will say it again… Petgrave definitely looked like he launched his leg/skate at an opposing player recklessly. It was inexcusable.

 

[Score08]

Where is that clip? I have seen multiple people speaking about it on multiple platforms and everytime I ask for a link to a video of I get nothing in return.

I just searched it and there’s many outlets that have it. Watched it on 3 different websites.

 

[Senor Catface]

You can ignore your enemy but he won’t ignore you

 

[Dessloch]

I just searched it and there’s many outlets that have it. Watched it on 3 different websites.

Just post it then, its not forbidden to post a clip from 3+ years back where nothing happened from. The mods have asked the incident that resulted in injury and death not to be posted. Not any unrelated incident that did not lead to any injuries.

 

[YukonCornelius]

Nice to see the resident HFBoards legal experts are still doing their thing. Actually, maybe nice isn't the right word. If ya'll think police would just arrest someone if they didn't have good reason to believe they are guilty, then I don't know what to tell you. Weird how invested some people are in defending this guy whose actions directly led to another man's death.

Lol yes, because law enforcement has never been known to erroneously arrest and/or prosecute someone…

 

[Hank Plank]

They quote the police. The bbc are not allowed to name him even if they know who he is. He will only be officially named if he is charges, until then further media reporting won’t name him. Nor should bloggers etc in the uk.

Can you point to the law that states this?

 

[Score08]

You

Just post it then, its not forbidden to post a clip from 3+ years back where nothing happened from. The mods have asked the incident that resulted in injury and death not to be posted. Not any unrelated incident that did not lead to any injuries.

I’m not your research assistant, it just took me a grand total of 30 secs to find it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We are going down a slippery slope if we are going to charge people for accidents let me provide an example.

For those that don't know there is a professional wrestler that goes by the name of Rey Mysterio Jr.

A few years ago during a tag team in Mexico Rey Mysterio performed a drop kick on another pro wrestler by the name of Perro Aguayo Jr.

Perro Aguayo Jr fell onto the middle rope, broke his neck and died as a result of that drop kick, you could say Rey Mysterio killed Perro Aguayo Jr.

Do you believe Rey Mysterio should have been arrested and charged for something that was clearly an accident because another person died?

If no why is this different? What happened to Perro Aguayo Jr was an accident Rey Mysterio had no intent to kill his opponent.

What happened to Adam Johnson was also an accident I do not believe for one second Matt Petgrave thought to himself "I'm going to kill this man" and then went out and did it.

I don't believe there was a sred of intent I believe just like the Perro Aguayo Jr incident, that the Adam Johnson incident was a freak accident with NO intent to kill whatsoever.

 

[Dessloch]

You
I’m not your research assistant, it just took me a grand total of 30 secs to find it.

I found a video of him 13 years ago going leg to leg on someone during a hit, is that your +3 years ago incident?



If this is the one you are talking about it has zero relevance to the current situation, thats literally a routine play.

Is that why you did not want to state it was 13 years old and therefore said it was 3+ years ago to make it seem more recent?

 

[WarriorofTime]

We are going down a slippery slope if we are going to charge people for accidents let me provide an example.

For those that don't know there is a professional wrestler that goes by the name of Rey Mysterio Jr.

A few years ago during a tag team in Mexico Rey Mysterio performed a drop kick on another pro wrestler by the name of Perro Aguayo Jr.

Perro Aguayo Jr fell onto the middle rope, broke his neck and died as a result of that drop kick, you could say Rey Mysterio killed Perro Aguayo Jr.

Do you believe Rey Mysterio should have been arrested and charged for something that was clearly an accident because another person died?

If no why is this different? What happened to Perro Aguayo Jr was an accident Rey Mysterio had no intent to kill his opponent.

What happened to Adam Johnson was also an accident I do not believe for one second Matt Petgrave thought to himself "I'm going to kill this man" and then went out and did it.

I don't believe there was a sred of intent I believe just like the Perro Aguayo Jr incident, that the Adam Johnson incident was a freak accident with NO intent to kill whatsoever.

"drop kicks" are a normal, choreographed part of pro wrestling. That would be a freak accident that occurred in the normal course of an activity. Kicking with your skate blade is not a normal hockey play. He doesn't need to intend to kill Johnson if he did intend to kick him with a hockey blade attached to his foot for it to be manslaughter.