Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open

[Dessloch]

Laughable. No evidence to support this whatsoever, unless they hacked his computer and found plans of him trying to seriously a player by kicking them in the head/neck area.

Did he plan this deed in 1 second, tripped with another play, exactly at the time the victim was at his lowest position.

Not even a hired killer could have planned this including the pinball move. And whats the motive here?

This will not go anywhere, and rightly so!

 

[Snauen]

Manslaughter is not planned. Murder is. He is charged for manslaughter not murder

 

[AvroArrow]

Laughable. No evidence to support this whatsoever, unless they hacked his computer and found plans of him murdering a player!

Did he plan this deed in 1 second, tripped with another play, exactly at the time the victim was at how lowest position.

Not even a hired killer could have planned this including the pinball move. And whats the motive here?

This will not go anywhere, and rightly so!

No evidence ? Watch the video, he literally kicks his leg up high as neck level. There's absolutely NO reason to swing your leg that high and then kick. Even if you fall off balance, you don't kick your foot like that. There was definitely intent to injure, maybe not intent to take his life away but I don't know how anyone can watch that video and think it was just an accident.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

I haven't read the entire thread, and certainly don't know British law. I did see the video and it does look to me like there was a bit of an intentional or at least reckless kick. I also heard no less than Gretsky comment that it might not have been an accident, so I can believe there is a variation of opinion on this.

So, while I would think this is a legal overreach in most cases, I can see why the police are at least investigating. And, if British law is anything like the US, my opinion is that he probably cannot be seen as guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, so I doubt he will be convicted.

In the UK to be prosecuted there only needs to be evidence beyond reasonable doubt. It is part of the reason why there is a two stage process of the police arresting and gaining evidence and then consulting the Crown Prosecution Service to assess whether there is reasonable chance of conviction in court.

 

[Hank Plank]

Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death

A man is held in connection with the death of Nottingham Panthers player Adam Johnson.

www.bbc.co.uk

Man arrested is a ghost without a name.

 

[Dessloch]

No evidence ? Watch the video, he literally kicks his leg up high as neck level. There's absolutely NO reason to swing your leg that high and then kick. Even if you fall off balance, you don't kick your foot like that. There was definitely intent to injure, maybe not intent to take his life away but I don't know how anyone can watch that video and think it was just an accident.

He is literally going on a ramp on the other white players leg, without the other players and the pinball effect nothing would have happened except a big hit. There was definitely no definite proof of any malicious intent whatsoever.

We had an arena give him a standing ovation, with the opposing team of the victim supporting him. So I am not alone at all.

 

[5 Minute Major]

If that's the case, then every first punch thrown in a fight is assault.

LOL….keep reaching.

 

[Snauen]

I think its good that he is charged. No way to know if it is an accident or deliberate. Only he knows, lets question him. On camera the incident for sure looks akward-suspicious-strange-seen nothing like it before, etc.

 

[QJL]

It is very clear who plays hockey and who doesn’t in this thread.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

It is very clear who plays hockey and who doesn’t in this thread.

Dude, cut this shit out. It's flaming.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Yeah, this needs more attention


New information has come to light

previous video of him swinging his leg around in this thread

Hmmm...that's not going to work in his favour if the authorities are given that footage. Who does that? Played minor/rec hockey for almost 50 years and never once stuck my leg out like that. The fact he has an established history with this video solidifies my opinion. I wonder how many other players will come forward to say he did it to them whether there's video evidence or not?

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Good, lack of empathy for your fellow man deserves a timeout from society.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Man arrested is a ghost without a name.

The police will only state a man has been arrested and the press in the UK are not meant to share names without confirmation due to a) the risk of liable and b) potentially harming prosecutions in a criminal case. There have been idiots who have shared names of people in a court case and helped the suspect to have the case thrown out as a result.

 

[Rob Brown]

Manslaughter is not planned. Murder is. He is charged for manslaughter not murder

A lot of people seem to be missing this point.

Doubt a ton of people remember this but Casey Cizikas was also charged with manslaughter in high school and it ended up being like a year probation and community service or something (I know, minor and a different situation).

 

[HoseEmDown]

I just saw the clip and in no way is that considered a normal hockey play. Don't know if there was intention but that leg should never been in the position it was in and move the way his did.

 

[Hank Plank]

The police will only state a man has been arrested and the press in the UK are not meant to share names without confirmation due to a) the risk of liable and b) potentially harming prosecutions in a criminal case. There have been idiots who have shared names of people in a court case and helped the suspect to have the case thrown out as a result.

BBC is the police? Good to know.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

As we have seen players adopt neckgaurds because of this accident, will we see players quit the game because you can be charged with a crime for an accident?

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

BBC is the police? Good to know.

That's not quite what I said.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Laughable. No evidence to support this whatsoever, unless they hacked his computer and found plans of him murdering a player!

Did he plan this deed in 1 second, tripped with another play, exactly at the time the victim was at his lowest position.

Not even a hired killer could have planned this including the pinball move. And whats the motive here?

This will not go anywhere, and rightly so!

It’s not being investigated as murder so this entire post is pointless.

 

[BiolaRunner]

I'm not sure that's right. When someone is arrested, especially if its some time after the incident, that usually means they've been formally charged with a crime and then booked (i.e fingerprinted, mugshot, given a court date).

You are arrested before you are charged. I don't know the exact range of time, but the police can hold you for a period after an arrest before releasing you if charges aren't filed.

 

[5minutemajor]

I refused to watch the video at first but after all the discussion of whether or not it was intentional I had to take a look. Petgrave in my opinion purposely kicked his leg up. There was intent there. His intent to injure resulted in someone's death. He should be held accountable.

I do not think there was intent to injure. Kicking intent I agree as possible/likely.

 

[shakes the clown]

What exactly would you call “headhunting with his skate blade” as you so eloquently put it?

headhunting to the upper torso is not the same as intentionally slitting his throat. The result was the same and the result was very foreseeable, hence the charges.

 

[nbwingsfan]

headhunting to the upper torso is not the same as intentionally slitting his throat. The result was the same and the result was very foreseeable, hence the charges.

He hasn’t been charged with shit. This is pretty standard procedure to be arrested when their “may” be grounds for manslaughter while they interview and investigate.

 

[Dessloch]

I do not think there was intent to injure. Kicking intent I agree as possible/likely.

How is it even possible to intend to kick someone within a split second after pinballing of another players leg? Its less than a second from when he touches the leg of the other player til he hits the victim. Where is the time to make an on purpose attempt? The chances of this being an accident seem to outweigh it being a brutal attack by such large margin taking it to criminal court seems laughable.

If they have 50.01/49.99 in a civil court in the UK, I suppose the coin toss could be worth a try, the player could get convicted there even if he is completely innocent with the lessened burden of proof.

I cant phantom any court of law will deem that his was beyond reasonable doubt not an accident.

Edit. Actually as of now I am glad this is going to court as the general public seems to be fine with sending someone to prison when they have no idea of the intentions of the accused. At least in court he will get to present a defense!

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Uh oh the bobbies are on the case