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Super Cake

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I would not say that the Habs are crashing back to earth just yet. They are just going through a rough patch right now. They went through a rough patch last season as well and they still made the playoffs. They even went to the ecf as well.

I hate the Habs as much as you guys, but it is really to early to say that they are crashing back to earth.
 

ChocolateLeclaire

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There's definitely been a shift.


There does seem to be less of the staged fights, which I don't think most people are that fond of. However it seems to me that NHL teams are just as hungry as ever for players who can fight but can also contribute defensively or with goal scoring etc.

This will always be an aggressive sport in which fighting is sometimes present. But I agree that the more pure pugilists are being phased out.

Perhaps until some goon team wins the Cup and then we're back to the 70s again.

You can do like the New York Rangers and waste a top 10 pick on a marginal d-man who can fight.

Dylan McGilrath...smh...
 

L'Aveuglette

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lol really? I have not been really connected with the Habs so far this season, were they really saying that? lol what I was saying is that they're a very mediocre team if Price doesn't stand on his head. Got flamed.

Do you watch some Habs games? lol what would you say if the Sens were being dominated like that most of the time? It's not a question of number of shots. Maybe you still don't see what I'm saying but there's a big disparity in scoring chances and control of the play + possession

Habs are 3-0 in SO... Have a 8-4-1 record (so basically with the ties : 5-5-3) and a -12 differential already. That's the worst differential in the NHL after the Sabres, tied with Edmonton and Arizona.

Look at team stats, they are bottom 5-10 in almost every category. Those are signs of a bad team

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLSAAAll&sort=avgGoalsPerGame&viewName=summary

Sens in ()

GF/G : 27th (12)
GA/G : 22nd (12)
5-5 F/A : 23th (17)
PP% : 28th (9)
PK% : 9th (11)
S/GP : 25th (12)
SA/GP : 23th (28)
FO% : 1st (22)

They're good on the PK and face-offs...

I'm not really sure what you're trying to convince me of. Yes, the media has been calling the Habs an elite team, or at least they say they're part of the select group of teams that could be heading to the SCF. I never said they were elite, or awful. They are a "good" team. Good enough to easily make the playoffs but certainly not enough to win the east much less the cup. So what's your point here exactly?
 

Micklebot

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McIlrath over Cam Fowler is debilitatingly bad. That's "Brian Lee-over-Kopitar/Staal" levels of bad.

Don't forget Bourdon (rip). With Lee, we had the option of a better defensive defensman, a better offensivive defenseman, and a better center. There was no logical reason for picking Lee, but hey, it could be worse, we could have chosen pokulok.
 

God Says No

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I'm not really sure what you're trying to convince me of. Yes, the media has been calling the Habs an elite team, or at least they say they're part of the select group of teams that could be heading to the SCF. I never said they were elite, or awful. They are a "good" team. Good enough to easily make the playoffs but certainly not enough to win the east much less the cup. So what's your point here exactly?

He's agreeing with you.
 

Xspyrit

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Hey i'd like to get opinions on that without creating a thread

What are the teams that benefit the most of reffing you think?

IMO, in no order :

Detroit, Vancouver, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Montreal

Any other?


The Habs over the past 2 years have had a enormous amount of luck and Price was godly for them. Glad to see them crashing back to earth. Would not doubt the Sabres beating them tomorrow.

Their luck has been for more than 2 years, believe me. Makes it look like the Forum ghosts are real :ghost3:

lol has anyone ever used that emoticon?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to convince me of. Yes, the media has been calling the Habs an elite team, or at least they say they're part of the select group of teams that could be heading to the SCF. I never said they were elite, or awful. They are a "good" team. Good enough to easily make the playoffs but certainly not enough to win the east much less the cup. So what's your point here exactly?

Yeah like GSN said, I was agreeing with you, just didn't watch l'antichambre or listened to CKAC (98.5) a lot so far this season, as I have been driving a lot less in the evenings... I wasn't really aware that they were evaluating the Habs as an "elite team"... Now that's funny.

So I provided facts to why I don't think they are close to being elite. They'll probably make the playoffs because Price is just too good and they have some good players that won't let the team dive in the standings too much (Pacioretty, Subban, Galchenyuk, Plekanec). Their depth and prospect pool is mediocre/crap IMO.
 

OgieO

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I would not say that the Habs are crashing back to earth just yet. They are just going through a rough patch right now. They went through a rough patch last season as well and they still made the playoffs. They even went to the ecf as well.

I hate the Habs as much as you guys, but it is really to early to say that they are crashing back to earth.
Agree, it's too early. I have no idea what will happen with them, but having a goal diff of -9 is strange with such a good record. Perhaps they're just prone to bad nights, or maybe they've played above their abilities. I'll be curious to see how their season unfolds.
 

FolignoQuantumLeap

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The Habs are built to feast on lowly eastern opponents but are terribly constructed to face good physical competition. They legitimately have one of the worst defense groups on the league with a combination of inexperienced and just flat out incompetence in their own zone. This is compounded by their coaching that essentially relies on 'cheese'/two line passes, embellishment + their PP.

Their PP has been really bad though so I don't expect that to continue. They won't get as many opportunities because they aren't capable of great puck possession but the D should get better, along with Price.

They aren't a real contender, just a paper tiger with horse show up their ass.
 

ChocolateLeclaire

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The Habs are built to feast on lowly eastern opponents but are terribly constructed to face good physical competition. They legitimately have one of the worst defense groups on the league with a combination of inexperienced and just flat out incompetence in their own zone. This is compounded by their coaching that essentially relies on 'cheese'/two line passes, embellishment + their PP.

Their PP has been really bad though so I don't expect that to continue. They won't get as many opportunities because they aren't capable of great puck possession but the D should get better, along with Price.

They aren't a real contender, just a paper tiger with horse show up their ass.

How much are tickets to this horse-show?

In other news, LOL on the Fleury deal. So I guess the Pens won't be winning any Cups for the next 4 years.

Look at what they're paying him for the next four years vs. what we're paying for our goaltending PAIR and tell me that Murray is doing it wrong...
 

Lenny the Lynx

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Maybe I'm biased because I've never thought MA Fleury is anything more than a mediocre goalie, but that contract seems pretty crazy.
 
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ChocolateLeclaire

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McIlrath over Cam Fowler is debilitatingly bad. That's "Brian Lee-over-Kopitar/Staal" levels of bad.

At least Ranger fans know it. They actually wanted Tarasenko from the sounds of it but Sather pulled a Muckler and thought he knew better than everyone in the room.

Just an abysmal pick. Could have had Fowler, Schwartz, Tarasenko, and so many others and they chose a guy that is actually a worse player than Eric Gryba (not that Gryba is bad, but a bottom-pairing D-man with a 10th overall pick?!? YIKES)
 

Caeldan

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At least Ranger fans know it. They actually wanted Tarasenko from the sounds of it but Sather pulled a Muckler and thought he knew better than everyone in the room.

Just an abysmal pick. Could have had Fowler, Schwartz, Tarasenko, and so many others and they chose a guy that is actually a worse player than Eric Gryba (not that Gryba is bad, but a bottom-pairing D-man with a 10th overall pick?!? YIKES)

So he's their Cowen? :sarcasm:
 

Micklebot

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At least Ranger fans know it. They actually wanted Tarasenko from the sounds of it but Sather pulled a Muckler and thought he knew better than everyone in the room.

Just an abysmal pick. Could have had Fowler, Schwartz, Tarasenko, and so many others and they chose a guy that is actually a worse player than Eric Gryba (not that Gryba is bad, but a bottom-pairing D-man with a 10th overall pick?!? YIKES)

They've had some doozies.

Malholtra 7 OA (poor draft year, but could have had Tanguay, Antripov, Gagne)
Brendl 4 OA (really poor draft year, but could have had Pyatt or Connolly)
Lundmark 9 OA (same year as Brendl, but Boynton and Havlat were available)
Dan Blackburn 10 OA (Hamhuis, Hemsky, Umberger editors note: 4 goalies in the first round and all busts unless you like Leclaire???)
Jessiman 12 OA (Brown, Seabrooke, Nilsson, Parise, Getzlaf, Perry, Richards Burns, you know the drill, they found the only bad pick)
Montoya 6 OA (Smid, Radulov, Schnieder, Green)

Outside of the Jessiman year, it wasn't as if they picked the only bust, but that's a lot of disapointing high picks over the years even if weak draft years are partially to blame.
 

Knave

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The Habs are built to feast on lowly eastern opponents but are terribly constructed to face good physical competition. They legitimately have one of the worst defense groups on the league with a combination of inexperienced and just flat out incompetence in their own zone. This is compounded by their coaching that essentially relies on 'cheese'/two line passes, embellishment + their PP.

Their PP has been really bad though so I don't expect that to continue. They won't get as many opportunities because they aren't capable of great puck possession but the D should get better, along with Price.

They aren't a real contender, just a paper tiger with horse show up their ass.

But they aren't feasting on anyone...

Two games they've won by 2 or more goals. One against Boston, one against the NYR. The Boston one involved an empty net to put them up by 2 with a few seconds left.

We'll see but even if they play like they did early on in the season... it's not that impressive. I guess they have Buffalo to get their confidence back but from all the talk and hype they got to start the season - they haven't lived up to it at any point.
 

BonkTastic

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"I desperately want Buffalo to win this game"


^ one of the ~half dozen times per year I can honestly say this sentence with a straight face ^
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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Montreal lucky to win that one. Buffalo should've had a 5 min powerplay after that nasty check from behind into the boards. Probably would've changed the outcomes of that game.
 
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