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Thirty One
Safe is safe.
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Good for him.
He was reportedly a very good assistant with a very good Colorado team. Wondered why he didn't get another opportunity behind a bench.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Odd that the people on the Trade Boards are loving the Gardiner extension and killing the Brassard deal.
There is a rangers bias. The main boards doesn't have anything good to say about this team. A decent percentage of them predict us to make the playoffs every year, while teams like the isles jackets and canes are ranked ahead of us. And 8 of the past 9 years they've been wrong.
Definitely. Its hard not to be blinded (with hatred) by the bright lights of New York City
Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
- Oct 1, 2008
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Since it's the offseason, I have a question that has always boggled my mind. Why don't teams offer more RFA offer sheets.
For instance, Kreider signed at 2.45M but could easily be worth 3.5M or more for the 2 year contract.
But say a team offered 3.3M which would only be compensated by a 2nd round pick going back. Obviously the Rangers would have matched it, but why isn't this commonplace. Doesn't it make the most sense for the player?
For instance, Kreider signed at 2.45M but could easily be worth 3.5M or more for the 2 year contract.
But say a team offered 3.3M which would only be compensated by a 2nd round pick going back. Obviously the Rangers would have matched it, but why isn't this commonplace. Doesn't it make the most sense for the player?
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Very few offer sheets have gone un-matched since the system was put into place. Glen Wesley is the highest profile one I can think of. There have been a bunch of major ones that were matched. Sakic, Fedorov, Vanek, Weber. In Dustin Penner's case, the offer turned out to be over payment. Also, the feeling seems to be (whether reality matches it, I'm not sure) that offer sheeting other team's players makes your own players more vulnerable around the league. Most GMs don't want to risk bad blood with their brethren either, as they might need them later.
eco's bones
Registered User
You burn bridges when you sign other team's RFA's. You also make other team's GM's more leery of you--since if you'll do it to that guy--then you'll probably do it to them too.
Added on to that most times the other teams are going to match and all you end up doing is raising up the level of salaries for players of similar skill and age.
So most teams aren't going to do that. The success rate isn't good and creating bigger cap problems for you and everyone else isn't good either.
I understand a new GM not wanting to do this, but someone like Sather who is on his way out shouldn't really care should he? If a team offered Kreider 3 years and 4M per, the Rangers would have been hard pressed to actually match the deal. Sure you have to give up a 1st and a 3rd at that point, but wouldn't that be worth 3 years of Kreider, plus having his RFA rights for his last year?
As for other GM's coming after your players, it's pretty rare for it to actually work out in your favor right? For instance a team going after Stepan next year would need to give up 2 firsts, a second, and a third just to give up to 6.2M.
It just seems like a weapon is under utilized.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Someone like Sather got to where he is by fostering relationships, not destroying them. You don't just stop caring because you're near the end of your career. Well, unprofessional people don't anyway.
It just seems like a stupid unwritten rule. The same thing where Bellichick claiming guys off waivers. No, I'm just well within my rights. Seems unfair to the players.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
It's actually not just HF. I'm actually alarmed by how bad many well known hockey writers think the Rangers are going to be next year. Reading on Puck Daddy today they were killing the Brassard deal, also named Dan Boyle as a bad contract, despite a few weeks ago saying it was a good signing and he took less money to play for us. They talk about all our amazing depth we lost, and we did lose key depth guys, but our top end is still there, not to mention a full season of MSL.
I think the writers are very much over rating Pouliot, Stralman, Boyle. The only thing I agree with them on is even though he wasn't amazing, Richards still faced tougher competition than Brassard and out scored him, even while everyone saying he was trash. Hopefully Brass takes that next step, if not, we could be in trouble.
But I think they're over stating it. Saying the Rangers lost their key depth. Did we lose Marc Staal, Kevin Klein, Dom Moore, Carl Hagelin? They act like we lost Stepan, McDonagh and Hank with the way they write about the Rangers.
Funny how much things change during the season. Last summer people didn't say the Rangers would amount to anything, even as late as going into the playoffs, nobody had the Rangers going anywhere. Saying those same guys in Pou, Boyle, Stralsy...that our depth was weak. Apparently going far makes people completely flip the other way.
darko
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Good, I like it when the hockey universe underestimates the Rangers. I'm very satisfied with this off season in its totality and like what we'll put on the ice. People seem to forget that we had a lot of question marks going into last year like Richards, Pouliot, MZA, Moore x 2, Krieder, MDZ, Staal, back up GK, et. al. We have some jobs to be won and lines to juggle but I'm feeling a whole lot better than this time last year.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
Yeah and that's the thing, so much can change over a season. I remember in November with the Rangers struggling around .500 listening to XM NHL network and the analysts were discussing the Rangers and saying they were going to miss the playoffs and how they might be the weakest team in the weakest division. Then we go on to make the Final.
AlternateSideParking
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- Dec 11, 2005
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Arbitration players can't sign an offer sheet.
If they sign the offer sheet and match he then becomes untradeable. For a year or two.
If they sign the offer sheet and match he then becomes untradeable. For a year or two.
AlternateSideParking
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If Kreider was not arbitration eligible, and a team offered him 3.5 million or more, the Rangers would have seven days to match, which they would. Kreider would then gain a temporary NTC for the rest of that season.
If Kreider was not matched, the Rangers would get a 1st and a 3rd from that team's post-season draft position, not picks from other teams they may have acquired.
So if Toronto finishes dead last and has the first pick and the 15th from a trade with San Jose, but signed Kreider to a 3.5 offer sheet, the Rangers would get the 1st overall pick.
It's too risky. The better the player, the more picks you lose. Now that 5 million is the going rate for 3rd liners, an unmatched RFA would cost a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.
So as a GM, you significantly overpay for one player you covet, and you lose 2-4 draft picks.
Forget Gentleman's agreement. It's stupid in a cap world.
You're better off holding on to your picks and draft those players instead of admitting you suck at player development and have to overpay for a kid you could have had in the late 1st round to begin with.
If Kreider was not matched, the Rangers would get a 1st and a 3rd from that team's post-season draft position, not picks from other teams they may have acquired.
So if Toronto finishes dead last and has the first pick and the 15th from a trade with San Jose, but signed Kreider to a 3.5 offer sheet, the Rangers would get the 1st overall pick.
It's too risky. The better the player, the more picks you lose. Now that 5 million is the going rate for 3rd liners, an unmatched RFA would cost a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.
So as a GM, you significantly overpay for one player you covet, and you lose 2-4 draft picks.
Forget Gentleman's agreement. It's stupid in a cap world.
You're better off holding on to your picks and draft those players instead of admitting you suck at player development and have to overpay for a kid you could have had in the late 1st round to begin with.
Anyone catch this Puck Daddy article criticizing the Brassard contract and claiming it will pave the way for Stepan
to get $7 million plus on his next contract?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...blem--eric-staal--james-reimer-203437924.html
Ridiculous (on the Stepan contract speculation)
to get $7 million plus on his next contract?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...blem--eric-staal--james-reimer-203437924.html
Ridiculous (on the Stepan contract speculation)
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
Hard to take them seriously sometimes. When D. Boyle signed with the Rangers for less money, they said it was a good signing and he took less than he could've gotten to come here. Then in that article they say he was a bad signing. They also act like we lost our core, completely forgetting that before the playoffs nobody thought anything much of the guys we lost, aside from Richards. They literally write like the Rangers are going to be bottom feeders next year, leaving out the fact that we have a full year of AV under our belt, a full season of MSL this year, a growing and improving Kreider and Stepan not to mention McD. Oh yeah, that Lundqvist guy is still here too.
AlternateSideParking
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