Whiplash27
Quattro!!
Dubinsky vs. Crosby has been great for years. Who can forget this:
and this
There are other instances.
and this
There are other instances.
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silverfish
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Not looking past the Flyers. Just going to come out and say that whoever advances from our series will sure be able to take advantage of some shoddy goaltending in the next phase of bracket play.
Still can't get over MAF in the playoffs
Would certainly be a very interesting dynamic in a division finals series between the Jackets and Rangers. I'll leave that one alone for now though. Still a ways to go here.
Still can't get over MAF in the playoffs
Would certainly be a very interesting dynamic in a division finals series between the Jackets and Rangers. I'll leave that one alone for now though. Still a ways to go here.
NYR Viper
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The injuries are going to start piling up for the Blue Jackets and Pens very soon. Tyutin is out already. Horton is out. The Pens are relatively healthy but this is a VERY physical series.
Definitely had a good time last night being the only guy in the bar cheering when Dubi potted that goal. 
Love watching the Jackets. Very well built team and they're only going to get better. Glad to see that Dubinsky got his game back. Getting traded was probably the best thing that could have happened to him. Really shook the rocks out of his head.
Love watching the Jackets. Very well built team and they're only going to get better. Glad to see that Dubinsky got his game back. Getting traded was probably the best thing that could have happened to him. Really shook the rocks out of his head.
Definitely had a good time last night being the only guy in the bar cheering when Dubi potted that goal.
Love watching the Jackets. Very well built team and they're only going to get better. Glad to see that Dubinsky got his game back. Getting traded was probably the best thing that could have happened to him. Really shook the rocks out of his head.
Agree 100%, although I was out at a bar for the Ranger game Tuesday night so I was home last night. My wife had to come check on me because I was both cheering for Columbus and laughing at Fleury when that goal went in.
I liked Dubinsky when he was here, but he was unpolished and a bit immature. He looks like hes turning into a real leader in Columbus. Same goes for Jack Johnson.
McDunna with Fries
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MAF is a mess in the playoffs. Last night was a perfect example. The OT goal was soft as hell.
BlueshirtBlitz
Foolish Samurai
I'm still more afraid of the Pens than I am the BJs.
MAF blows, but that has never stopped the Pens from styling on us.
CBJ is not that good, and i'm confident in saying the Rangers would beat them in 5-6 games. The one time the BJs played the good version of the 13-14 Rangers, their physicality was barely a factor as the Rangers matched it easily and besides a couple of stretches of extended pressure, the Rangers outskated them.
Don't know what the love affair for CBJ is around here, sans Dubi, who said some really ridiculous **** about the Rangers.
MAF blows, but that has never stopped the Pens from styling on us.
CBJ is not that good, and i'm confident in saying the Rangers would beat them in 5-6 games. The one time the BJs played the good version of the 13-14 Rangers, their physicality was barely a factor as the Rangers matched it easily and besides a couple of stretches of extended pressure, the Rangers outskated them.
Don't know what the love affair for CBJ is around here, sans Dubi, who said some really ridiculous **** about the Rangers.
I live in Pittsburgh so the only real hockey atmosphere I get is when I go and watch Pens games with friends. The obscenities being thrown around after the tying goal and the OT winner were unreal.
I was a Dubinsky fan, but I was highly critical of him while he was here. I always said that he didn't know what kind of player he wanted to be and always tried to do too much. Seems like he finally settled into the role he was meant for.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Player big P
no more striptease no more flashes
Blue Jackets are Rangers hand me downs, and the expensive mouthy pants fit them better and people are like "Man I miss those pants," but I don't miss those pants, I tell you what
All about match ups, that is all it is. We don't match up that well against the Pens. But we do against the Jackets.
Inferno
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we match up against either of them just fine.
both are flawed teams. Neither scares me.
Id rather play the Pens just because I'd rather play a team with a terrible goalie than a team with the reigning vezina winner.....though its not like hes been spectacular this series.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I'm still a little miffed by the idea that we match up against the Jackets better than the Penguins (not that I think we match up particularly poorly against either).
The Rangers have had the most trouble this year with hard forechecking teams.
The Rangers often shutdown top offensive players.
Two short sentences explain why I think the Penguins are a better matchup for us (which is getting waaaay ahead of ourselves).
The Rangers have had the most trouble this year with hard forechecking teams.
The Rangers often shutdown top offensive players.
Two short sentences explain why I think the Penguins are a better matchup for us (which is getting waaaay ahead of ourselves).
Tough call. Last time we faced the Penguins, Crosby was a more dynamic (and less injured) player, MAF still knew how to play net, and had much better depth. And our only answer to that was... Malik and Rosi.
We're in a better position to face them now, and they are a bit worse off.
I don't think the quoted post was really making an argument...
But either way, I don't understand how you can write those picks off as "luck." Yea, clearly no other teams identified Datsyuk or Zetterberg as super stars; but the Wings were the ones who ultimately ID'd them and ended up taking the chance on them.
If you look at the Wings' drafting history in the middle and late rounds, they have drafted a ton of their roster players and stars in those rounds -- and replicated their success in drafting late round gems again and again over the past few decades. I wouldn't call that luck. Clearly they are doing something right. That is an organization that is dedicated to quality scouting and proper development of their young players.
From Detroit's roster / current and recent past core players:
1989 Draft: Nicklas Lidstrom (3rd round - 53rd overall)
1989 Draft: Sergei Fedorov (4th round - 74th overall)
1989 Draft: Dallas Drake (6th round - 116th overall)
1989 Draft: Vladimir Konstantinov (11th round - 221st overall)
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1990 Draft: Slava Kozlov (3rd round - 45th overall)
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1991 Draft: Chris Osgood (3rd round - 54th overall)
1991 Draft: Mike Knuble (4th round - 76th overall)
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1994 Draft: Tomas Holmstrom (10th round - 257th overall)
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1998 Draft: Pavel Datsyuk (6th round - 171st overall)
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1999 Draft: Henrik Zetterberg (7th round - 210st overall)
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2002 Draft: Valtteri Filppula (3rd round - 95th overall)
2002 Draft: Jonathan Ericsson (9th round - 291st overall)
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2003 Draft: Jimmy Howard (2nd round - 64th overall)
2003 Draft: Kyle Quincey (4th round - 132nd overall)
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2004 Draft: Johan Franzen (3rd round - 97th overall)
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2005 Draft: Justin Abdelkader (2nd round – 42nd overall)
2005 Draft: Darren Helm (5th round - 132nd overall)
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2008 Draft: Gustav Nyquist (4th round - 121st overall)
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2009 Draft: Tomas Tatar (2nd round - 60th overall)
//Decent to good prospects:
2007 Draft: Joakim Andersson (3rd round – 88th overall)
2009 Draft: Adam Almquist (7th round – 210th overall)
2011 Draft: Tomas Jurco (2nd round – 35th overall)
2011 Draft: Xavier Ouellet (2nd round – 48th overall)
The only significant roster players to be drafted in the first round by the Red Wings in the past 25 years are:
Mike Sillinger (1989 draft, 1st round, 11th overall)
Keith Primeau (1990 draft, 1st round, 3rd overall)
Martin LaPointe (1991 draft, 1st round, 10th overall)
Jiri Fischer (1998 draft, 1st round, 25th overall)
Niklas Kronwall (2000 draft, 1st round, 29th overall)
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Jakub Kindl (2005 draft, 1st round, 19th overall)
Brendan Smith (2007 draft, 1st round, 27th overall)
Riley Sheahan (2010 draft, 1st round, 21st overall)
If anything that's a credit to the Wings, but at that point IMO it's silly to lament not getting a guy that was drafted so late. It's just incredibly hard to do, the Wings do it better than anyone, but it's not exactly terrible if you don't draft one of those guys they obviously had problems. Furthermore, the further you go the more hectic everything becomes. Everyone knows who most people consider top 5, top 10, in round 6 for example it's more chaotic, everyone values everyone differently. Tarasenko was well known as a high end prospect, sure there was the Russian factor, but that's less of a problem for us, unless they got spooked by the rare Cherepanov event. Anyway, I don't want to get into this, it's the wrong thread for it.
Ok. I was only really addressing your "partially luck" comment in that post. Like you, I don't care about the rest of the discussion, or the Tarasenko stuff - and wasn't meaning to bring it there.
NYRKindms
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Couldn't this be used to show that Detroit sucks at picking in the early rounds ?
I mean sure they get credit for finding diamonds in the rough but if they aren't turning their 1st and 2nd round picks in to roster players then why are they not singled out for picking crappy early rounders ? If they are so good at evaluating talent as everyone claims they are. Why aren't they finding success with their early round choices ? Or for that matter if they were so convinced to the ability of the guys you listed why wait until such late rounds to take them ?
It would seem whoever is evaluating the talent has it backwards with the impact players taken late and the roster players taken in the 1st and 2nd
They have traded away a ton of their first round picks over the past ~15 years or so. Since 1997 (17 draft years) they have had just 7 first round picks -- all fairly late.
Those picks have been:
1998: Jiri Fischer (25th overall)
2000: Nicklas Kronwall (29th overall)
2005: Jakub Kindl (19th overall)
2007: Brendan Smith (27th overall)
2008: Tom McCollum (30th overall)
2010: Riley Sheahan (21st overall)
2013: Anthony Mantha (20th overall)
Seems to me they're doing just fine when they pick in the first round. First 4 players are/were all roster players. Riley Sheahan's first real test in the NHL was this season - and he did very well. Mantha is too young to know, but looks like he could be a pretty good pick.
Edits to more fully answer missed questions:
I'm not in the room; so I can't answer that question with any authority. But my best guess would be they actually have had a stable team concept that they have stuck to over the years. Their organization has done a great job of identifying the types of players that will fit in that concept, and simply do a good job of scouting and identifying those players. Also - if you have a sense that other teams won't be picking the players you're looking at earlier, you're not going to "waste" an early pick on them. The goal is to get the players you want as late in the draft as you think you can.
Further - in my opinion, I think a big part of why a lot of these late round picks develop into good to great players is that the Red Wings have one of the best organizational philosophies as far as development goes. They don't rush it; even with the prospects people expect to be good. They let them develop in the minors or in EU leagues for a while. Then stick them on lines once they break into the NHL where they don't feel the pressure immediately to be the team's savior. And put them on teams and on lines with veterans who help them develop and mentor them. Big part of why the brought in Alfie this season. Hull years ago. Etc.
Pretty rich coming from a fellow fan of NYR. Not exactly an example of amazing drafting historically.
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