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Richter Scale said:
They have traded away a ton of their first round picks over the past ~15 years or so. Since 1997 (17 draft years) they have had just 7 first round picks -- all fairly late.

Those picks have been:

1998: Jiri Fischer (25th overall)
2000: Nicklas Kronwall (29th overall)
2005: Jakub Kindl (19th overall)
2007: Brendan Smith (27th overall)
2008: Tom McCollum (30th overall)
2010: Riley Sheahan (21st overall)
2013: Anthony Mantha (20th overall)

Seems to me they're doing just fine when they pick in the first round. First 4 players are/were all roster players. Riley Sheahan's first real test in the NHL was this season - and he did very well. Mantha is too young to know, but looks like he could be a pretty good pick.

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I'm not in the room; so I can't answer that question with any authority. But my best guess would be they actually have had a stable team concept that they have stuck to over the years. Their organization has done a great job of identifying the types of players that will fit in that concept, and simply do a good job of scouting and identifying those players. Also - if you have a sense that other teams won't be picking the players you're looking at earlier, you're not going to "waste" an early pick on them. The goal is to get the players you want as late in the draft as you think you can.

Further - in my opinion, I think a big part of why a lot of these late round picks develop into good to great players is that the Red Wings have one of the best organizational philosophies as far as development goes. They don't rush it; even with the prospects people expect to be good. They let them develop in the minors or in EU leagues for a while. Then stick them on lines once they break into the NHL where they don't feel the pressure immediately to be the team's savior. And put them on teams and on lines with veterans who help them develop and mentor them. Big part of why the brought in Alfie this season. Hull years ago. Etc.



Pretty rich coming from a fellow fan of NYR. Not exactly an example of amazing drafting historically.
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Simply playing devils advocate. But yes compared to the rest of the league the wings do seem to have good success. Perhaps more a testament to the draft being a crapshoot
 
SnowblindNYR said:
What have they been trading for 10 out of 17 years?
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1997 1st rounder in a package for Shanahan. I'd say that move worked out for them.

1999 and 2001 1st rounder in a package for Chelios. Seems to have worked out for them at the time too.

2002 1st rounder for Hasek. Worked out. Huh, sensing a trend here?

2003 1st rounder for Mathieu Schneider. Also good at the time.

2004 1st rounder for Robert Lang. Meh.

2006 1st rounder packaged with a 6th for two PHX 2nd rounders (turned into Cory Emmerton and Shawn Matthias; not great, not bad - but a lot better than what PHX got with DET's picks -- Chris Summers and Jordan Bendfeld).

2009 1st rounder for a TB 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder. Still playing out for both teams' picks, but looks pretty meh all around for both.

2011 1st rounder for 2 OTT 2nd rounders (turned into Jurco and Ouellet)

2012 1st rounder in a package for Quincey. Meh.

Overall, considering there was a plan being executed with each one - they did pretty well. A couple meh trades, but some damn good asset management in my mind.

Disclaimer: I'm by no means advocating the Rangers trade away their own first rounders, as I have zero confidence in their management's ability to draft the types of players in the late rounds that the Red Wings have over the years. Also have no confidence in Sather to get the most out of the majority of any 1st rounders he trades away - unlike what the Wings have done.
 
Rask IS overrated.

He's very, very good. BUT, he can also be easily rattled and lets his anger take over which has cost him quite a few times in the past.

It's kind of like fleury except rask doesn't turn into a traffic cone.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
I'd disagree. Maybe slightly but he's a very good goaltender look at his Olympics. Quick on the other hand was/is overrated.
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Agreed on both accounts, minus necessity to look at Olympics. Rask has done it/has been doing it at the NHL level.

In my personal opinion, Rask is one guy I'd at least have to have a debate over whether or not I'd want he or Hank as my goalie. I don't know if I have any others right now.
 
Geez every game there's whining about diving, there's a bunch of whining about the Rangers diving on the main board. Just stop it. Every team does it.
 
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