OT: Around the NHL: That Bedard kid is okay at hockey

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Sidney the Kidney

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Not going to go down that rabbit hole tonight. Everyone is is entitled to their own beliefs, right or wrong. We arent going to sit here and trash each others or another persons, including Provorov's.

IMO, Provorov can feel whatever way he wants. I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to judge someone's "religious beliefs".

However, the Flyers organization is the one that stands out as at fault in this. If his religious beliefs are that strong he feels he can't take part in the pre-game stuff, fine. But they can sit him. They chose not to.

And Tortorella is a hypocrite.
 

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JR better retire ASAP or this Vancouver shitshow is going to taint his reputation.

I think JR should've stuck to his word and stayed retired after he left us. I don't know what he thought he could achieve, bouncing back so soon into the game to a dysfunctional organization like that. Van was always going to be a bubble team, and has never had a clean rebuild under an incompetent GM (Benning) that was there for years, f***ing things up.

My only hope is that, somehow, the Pens can take advantage of the old man knowing his trade Achilles heels (unquenchable thirst for reclamation projects, youngish PMDs, and his old locker room stalwarts, convinced he is just a few more deals away from the right mix). Obviously someone like JT Miller would've been ideal for us before they signed him to that insane deal.** But now Horvat and Boeser being available, Garland landing with a thud, and reportedly (according to the never-ending stream of Van rumors on the trade board) Pettersson starting to get antsy, there is some real quality that can be pried off that team.

I feel like the Nucks should just shop all of their major, mid-20s pieces around, and offer retention on everyone. Drop down the standings and try to maximize draft capital in a rich draft year. Lord knows if the Canucks somehow manage to land Bedard, they better flush the entire organization out the airlock, top to bottom, if they hope to rebuild around him, Hughes and Pettersson to make a real contender. Otherwise, its going to be like McDavid and Draisatil all over again, where clowns like Lowe, Chiarelli wasted that duo's best years without even getting a whiff of respectability.


**I still wonder, as insane as the idea is, if Van could just eat part of the cost of the Miller deal in an attempt to move him. My rationale is that Kessel was moved to us, 1 year into an 8 year deal, with 15% retention. The Leafs realized they miscalculated and actually were nowhere near contention, and pulled the plug. If the Nucks agreed to eat 2M a year on Miller, for the rest of his deal, they could probably still get a good return on him. 2 million in 2030 will be an even smaller % of cap, and the potential return from a contender. I would imagine, for example, the Avs would pay handsomely for a locked up Miller that has cost certainty through the rest of their window**
 
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How about Provorov f***s off to Europe and never plays in the nhl again. What a f***ing loser.

JR was never gonna stay retired. More than anything else he loves the attention. It's why he showers his trade partners with extra assets -- so people will keep picking up the phone.
A mate of mine asked what I felt about the Canucks hiring JR and Allvin - I told him literally no Pens fan is sad losing Allvin and definitely don’t care about JR going there but be prepared for your team being f***ed up. Allvin was never ready and this will ruin him as he will likely get fired in the off season and have to go be an assistant somewhere like he should be, for a few more years to actually learn the ropes. JR royally f***ed him. He then goes hard in the paint for a media splash of assistant hires without even giving him a strong experienced NHL AGM. Lol.

And voila.
 

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A mate of mine asked what I felt about the Canucks hiring JR and Allvin - I told him literally no Pens fan is sad losing Allvin and definitely don’t care about JR going there but be prepared for your team being f***ed up.

And voila.

Just remember that absolute belief and conviction every single Canucks fan we talked to displayed when they assured us without a hint of irony and even some snide "oh you guys WOULD say that" pushback that JR was just gonna be the kind old grandpa there that stayed hands-off and patiently allowed his trusted protégées to run the show.
 

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Just remember that absolute belief and conviction every single Canucks fan we talked to displayed when they assured us without a hint of irony and even some snide "oh you guys WOULD say that" pushback that JR was just gonna be the kind old grandpa there that stayed hands-off and patiently allowed his trusted protégées to run the show.
It’s funny because FsG likely extended Sullivan on the same belief that “hey at least JR got two cups in Pittsburgh” but ignore the recent disasters. We lost jr thankfully and he’s destroying the Canucks now but we also got stuck with Sully doing it at another level.
 

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Just remember that absolute belief and conviction every single Canucks fan we talked to displayed when they assured us without a hint of irony and even some snide "oh you guys WOULD say that" pushback that JR was just gonna be the kind old grandpa there that stayed hands-off and patiently allowed his trusted protégées to run the show.

My favorite was "JR ISN'T ACTUALLY OUR GM".
 

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Perhaps I'm misremembering, but didn't HFCanes warn us about JR? Like, they said he'd swing for the fences and it'd mostly work at first. But then he'd eventually raze the organization.

But at least we got 2 Cups out of it!

For sure. And they weren't wrong.

I was extremely unhappy about JR at first. I clowned on the guy like every season. But I mean... like you said... results.

Sometimes that wild stupid energy actually bears fruit under the right circumstances when things break just right. Until it very much doesn't. Vancouver absolutely doesn't have the core the Penguins were working with, for starters. Not even close IMO.
 

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Perhaps I'm misremembering, but didn't HFCanes warn us about JR? Like, they said he'd swing for the fences and it'd mostly work at first. But then he'd eventually raze the organization.

But at least we got 2 Cups out of it!
I believe they nailed exactly what he was. The type who could make tweaks and additions to put a team on the brink of contending over the top, but terrible at drafting and terrible at improving or building a team that's more than one or two trades away from winning.
 
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I believe they nailed exactly what he was. The type who could make tweaks and additions to put a team on the brink of contending over the top, but terrible at drafting and terrible at improving or building a team that's more than one or two trades away from winning.
JR can’t fix problems. He can come in and do what he did in Pittsburgh where he had assets that he could move and had generational talents and a young nucleus at the time that were vying for some attention in the AHL. But a franchise that needs proper direction at every facet of operations and ice level, he’s never been that bloke. To hire him was just desperation and the Aquilini wanker is now going to pay for it when his team loses more talent. I think Horvat just wants out at this point because he knows there is no fix coming that will make him staying in Vancouver in his 30s, worth his while.

That’s a huge loss for them no matter how much they downplay it. There were rumours a season or two ago about the locker room being split with Horvat and Miller and I think there’s some fire to that smoke with Horvat wanting to not resign after that Miller extension. I would be shocked if Miller isn’t named their captain next season, which is just a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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Perhaps I'm misremembering, but didn't HFCanes warn us about JR? Like, they said he'd swing for the fences and it'd mostly work at first. But then he'd eventually raze the organization.

But at least we got 2 Cups out of it!

Well at first he hired the wrong coach, then he quickly made the move to replace MJ for Sully but also made some quick deals to fix ones that didn’t work out for him as well. Perron wasn’t used correctly so he quickly flipped him for Hagelin etc etc.

The moment the players he did get stopped working, that’s when you saw how bad he really was because it just kept getting worse after 2017. Like holy shit wtf - type of bad.

That Hagelin deal was a big one, not because of the type of player but a lot of things were shaping up, foreshadowing towards the stupidity that is Sullivan and his usage issues and his lack of knowledge of his own team’s locker room.

Hagelin that season was producing well without Geno but Sullivan kept forcing HMK together because he wanted a defensive winger with Geno, all the while Hags was doing well without Malkin but Malkin wasn’t producing with him as much. So JR sees that and figured let’s shake shit up, rips a great locker room guy out, retains on him, then doesn’t even f***ing know he can’t get him back because of it and hell, even the fact that he knew he f***ed up trading him after was just clueless. But Sullivan was showing a lack of creativity with the roster as early as that season.
 
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