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If anything, Babcock situation shows challenges of forming quick connections

What Mike Babcock may have been trying to do (if viewed charitably) points to a significant hurdle for all coaches, but particularly ones joining a new club: How do you efficiently onboard an entire hockey team? Justin Bourne dives into ways coaches try to get players to buy in.
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This makes me even happier that the Sabres have Adams and Granato given how they have developed the Sabres culture since being hired.
 
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CaliSabresfan24 said:
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Dingo44 said:
This Stamkos thing could be a real distraction this year.

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Excellent - this is the kind of chink in the armor of the Big 3 that we can exploit.

Bonus points if their relationship totally fractures, TB falls out of the race, and we're the only team that can trade for the Markham boy's UFA $8.5m.
 
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HOOats said:
Excellent - this is the kind of chink in the armor of the Big 3 that we can exploit.

Bonus points if their relationship totally fractures, TB falls out of the race, and we're the only team that can trade for the Markham boy's UFA $8.5m.
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Not blindly committing a long term deal to a 34 year old, no matter how valuable, isn't a chink in the armor, it is the armor. The NHL was aghast at the St Louis trade and Yzerman was roasted for not giving him exactly what he wanted. The Lightning got Callahan long term and one of the picks from the trade ended up being Cirelli. The Tampa GM has made some odd choices on long term contracts recently, but almost none of them extend beyond their early 30s.
 
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TehDoak said:
Not blindly committing a long term deal to a 34 year old, no matter how valuable, isn't a chink in the armor, it is the armor. The NHL was aghast at the St Louis trade and Yzerman was roasted for not giving him exactly what he wanted. The Lightning got Callahan long term and one of the picks from the trade ended up being Cirelli. The Tampa GM has made some odd choices on long term contracts recently, but almost none of them extend beyond their early 30s.
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I understand what you mean, from a long-term team building standpoint. Committing multi-year big money to 33yo Stamkos would be a sketchy move. Although his own decline and injury-proneness is overstated - he has two straight seasons of 81 games at 1.17 PPG.

But a disgruntled Stamkos going public with his displeasure about his contract status can't be viewed as a positive for TB. He's their all-time leading goal scorer entering his 11th year as their captain. This is the kind of thing that can poison the locker room if they don't start off the season winning, which is the chink in the armor.

Maybe this story is more cause than effect, and Stamkos is reacting to the end of Tampa's window as expressed by management hinting at the earliest phases of a rebuild. But even if they try to flip him into futures this year like they did Marty St. Louis, their trajectory is clear to me. They've taken too many personnel losses and they are starting to decline.
 
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MarkusKetterer said:
In New Zealand
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Beat me to it :)
Dingo44 said:
I know but that's about as close as he's going to get to NHL hockey without coming here...
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I did consider it. The bank I work for has its HQ in Melbourne. I was chatting with one of my peers over there this week, and he asked if I was going too. I decided I’d rather save my $$ and come over for a proper trip to North America. Go see games in a few cities, maybe fit in some MLB and NBA as well. Originally planned for April next year, my mate I’m planning it with had to postpone. So 2025 I’ll be there, by myself if needs be, because he pikes on me again.

Not to mention the Melbourne game is a warm-up. It isn’t even a regular season game, which might have drawn a bigger crowd.
 
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KiwiGriff said:
Beat me to it :)

I did consider it. The bank I work for has its HQ in Melbourne. I was chatting with one of my peers over there this week, and he asked if I was going too. I decided I’d rather save my $$ and come over for a proper trip to North America. Go see games in a few cities, maybe fit in some MLB and NBA as well. Originally planned for April next year, my mate I’m planning it with had to postpone. So 2025 I’ll be there, by myself if needs be, because he pikes on me again.

Not to mention the Melbourne game is a warm-up. It isn’t even a regular season game, which might have drawn a bigger crowd.
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I talked to you awhile ago about my visit to NZL being cancelled. I finally was able to reschedule and go for 16 days back in April. Best trip I've ever went on, both islands are absolutely incredible.
 
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TehDoak said:
Not blindly committing a long term deal to a 34 year old, no matter how valuable, isn't a chink in the armor, it is the armor. The NHL was aghast at the St Louis trade and Yzerman was roasted for not giving him exactly what he wanted. The Lightning got Callahan long term and one of the picks from the trade ended up being Cirelli. The Tampa GM has made some odd choices on long term contracts recently, but almost none of them extend beyond their early 30s.
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I just wonder what was more screwed, managing contracts to keep players playing at or above their cap or taking care of players and not turning the sport into 3-5yr contracts to maximize career earnings? Weird seeing Stamkos get jerked around by management after playing his career on team friendly deals, watching certain of his teammates get paid and Stutzle who may be a young Stamkos talk about winning over 10 mil contracts. Then in Buffalo you have Tage Thompson and Dylan Cozens signed for long term, at least thompson probably both below market (especially with the cap bump coming)and Dahlin rumored to want a 5 year deal and Power negotiating his deal. Just gives you Thurman Thomas in a dolphins jersey vibes. At some point your favorite jersey gets run out of town because the GM wants to be shrewd. How do you take sides in that discussion?

The business part of sports ruins sports.
 
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Push Dr Tracksuit said:
I just wonder what was more screwed, managing contracts to keep players playing at or above their cap or taking care of players and not turning the sport into 3-5yr contracts to maximize career earnings? Weird seeing Stamkos get jerked around by management after playing his career on team friendly deals, watching certain of his teammates get paid and Stutzle who may be a young Stamkos talk about winning over 10 mil contracts. Then in Buffalo you have Tage Thompson and Dylan Cozens signed for long term, at least thompson probably both below market (especially with the cap bump coming)and Dahlin rumored to want a 5 year deal and Power negotiating his deal. Just gives you Thurman Thomas in a dolphins jersey vibes. At some point your favorite jersey gets run out of town because the GM wants to be shrewd. How do you take sides in that discussion?

The business part of sports ruins sports.
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Stamkos got to play on one of the best teams of the cap era, winning two Cups. That is the reasoning for players to take friendly deals. It worked out for him. He's wealthy to boot. If the money is out there beyond what the Lightning are offering, he can get it from another team.
 
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HOOats said:
I understand what you mean, from a long-term team building standpoint. Committing multi-year big money to 33yo Stamkos would be a sketchy move. Although his own decline and injury-proneness is overstated - he has two straight seasons of 81 games at 1.17 PPG.

But a disgruntled Stamkos going public with his displeasure about his contract status can't be viewed as a positive for TB. He's their all-time leading goal scorer entering his 11th year as their captain. This is the kind of thing that can poison the locker room if they don't start off the season winning, which is the chink in the armor.

Maybe this story is more cause than effect, and Stamkos is reacting to the end of Tampa's window as expressed by management hinting at the earliest phases of a rebuild. But even if they try to flip him into futures this year like they did Marty St. Louis, their trajectory is clear to me. They've taken too many personnel losses and they are starting to decline.
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they have drafted only 3 top 50 picks since 2018. Buffalo has 16 in the same time.

You can’t reliably get star players outside the top 50. It’s very rare. They have been fortunate with Point and Cirelli.
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I talked to you awhile ago about my visit to NZL being cancelled. I finally was able to reschedule and go for 16 days back in April. Best trip I've ever went on, both islands are absolutely incredible.
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Bucket list of mine.

im contemplating going there is 2024. Could be in Feb/Mar or in Nov/Dec time frame

I have the miles ( near 200,000 on united) to book tickets and I have a >$1000 United voucher I’m sitting on. I also could use the voucher for europe then push New Zealand to the time of nhl 24/25 season

with work I can take a 3 week vacation easily

any tips/ info please share here/PM. I have a friend who is from Australia if I choose to include part of there.
 
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