Around the NHL: PTO Season Becomes Waiver Season

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JohnHodgson

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Nah

A 25 year old center that wants out + needs a big contract doesn't get a 22 year old top 6 C signed to a great contract back.

If available, he'd be the best player available for trade since Joe Thornton. This is a once in a generation opportunity for teams. When was the last time a franchise two-way 100 point center was on the market?

But yeah... he wouldn't return Dylan Cozens :laugh:

Even if he wanted out, there would be 31 teams lining up with offers. There's no team that wouldn't make a phone call.

You guys want to acquire one of the most valuable assets (if on the trading block) of the past 20 years with some packages of guys like Krebs, Kulich and some picks? That's got to be a joke right?

:laugh:

I think Tage has better trade value than Petey because of the contract but the value is pretty similar. Think would you trade Tage for that offer you guys are offering? If it's a resounding no - then the Canucks would likely have the same answer :)
 

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The cap hit would be the harder part, I’d think.
Cozens would have to be coming back as a centerpiece of a Petey deal.

It wouldn't make sense cap wise to have ~$25M invested in your top 3 centers.

A package of these "good" but not "great" assets is not going to cut it... ie. Quinn, Peterka, Kulich, Benson etc.

You want a a franchise two way 100 point center but you only want to give up these group of guys?

1st + Cozens + Kulich follows the Eichel template as a baseline.

The package is better than Eichel's package but Eichel was also coming off major surgery and never scored more than 82 points at that point. Vegas also ended up winning the cup so it turned out pretty good for them.
 
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If available, he'd be the best player available for trade since Joe Thornton. This is a once in a generation opportunity for teams. When was the last time a franchise two-way 100 point center was on the market?

But yeah... he wouldn't return Dylan Cozens :laugh:

Even if he wanted out, there would be 31 teams lining up with offers. There's no team that wouldn't make a phone call.
Do you understand how trades work?

Canucks aren't dealing from a position of strength. A guy wanting out + needing a huge contract doesn't get a young C on one of the best contracts back. This is like some of the Sabres fans thinking we'd get Zegras + Drysdale for Eichel. Canucks don't get rewarded for screwing up his early career. I don't think you get how valuable a player signed long term on a great deal is.

"Even if he wanted out, there would be 31 teams lining up with offers. There's no team that wouldn't make a phone call."

This isn't NHL23. Only a small amount of teams would be realistic suitors.

A. Canucks wouldn't trade him in the same division. Already eliminates 7 teams. I don't think they'd even want to trade him to another Western team. Probably only to the East.
B. Petey wants to win. Wouldn't want to go to a bad team. Already eliminates plenty of teams.
C. Team would need the assets to trade for him. Eliminates more teams that lack prospects / young players.
D. Team would need the cap space to afford a 10M+ player long term. Eliminates more teams.

Probably only about 4-5 serious teams. They'd get a good return, but nobody like Cozens would be involved.
 

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I think Tage has better trade value than Petey because of the contract but the value is pretty similar. Think would you trade Tage for that offer you guys are offering? If it's a resounding no - then the Canucks would likely have the same answer :)
No it's not. Tage is signed long term. Tage isn't refusing to sign a deal. Tage isn't a FA the season after.
 

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Do you understand how trades work?

Canucks aren't dealing from a position of strength. A guy wanting out + needing a huge contract doesn't get a young C on one of the best contracts back. This is like some of the Sabres fans thinking we'd get Zegras + Drysdale for Eichel. Canucks don't get rewarded for screwing up his early career. I don't think you get how valuable a player signed long term on a great deal is.

"Even if he wanted out, there would be 31 teams lining up with offers. There's no team that wouldn't make a phone call."

This isn't NHL23. Only a small amount of teams would be realistic suitors.

A. Canucks wouldn't trade him in the same division. Already eliminates 7 teams. I don't think they'd even want to trade him to another Western team. Probably only to the East.
B. Petey wants to win. Wouldn't want to go to a bad team. Already eliminates plenty of teams.
C. Team would need the assets to trade for him. Eliminates more teams that lack prospects / young players.
D. Team would need the cap space to afford a 10M+ player long term. Eliminates more teams.

Probably only about 4-5 serious teams. They'd get a good return, but nobody like Cozens would be involved.

This is hilarious because Tkachuk just got traded for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a first last year.

This is also hilarious because Eichel was coming off a major neck surgery and had a lot of questions on whether or not he'd be the same player. Petey is healthy and coming off a 100 point season. Eichel package will be a baseline but the package will be more.

You were probably singing the same tune about whatever you're trying to convince yourself.

I could easily make ten different packages from ten different teams in like 20-30 minutes.

This is such an unserious post.

A. You don't know this for a fact - you're just making assumptions. I agree he wouldn't go in the division but everywhere else is up for grabs.

B. How does this eliminate plenty of teams? There are a ton of good teams in the East/Central

C. Almost every team can come up with a package for Petey. He's going to demand a fortune but he's probably worth 5/6 first round picks in value - every team has that type of asset value in their organization.

D. Vancouver could easily take cap back if they are going to rebuild. Cap would not be an issue at that point as they could easily take some contracts back.

I mean if you want to tell yourself in your head that there would be only 4-5 serious teams... sure. That number is probably closer to double.

Just off the top of my head, teams that could make sense:

COL
MIN
LA
WPG
BOS
CAR
TOR
NYR
NYI
FLA
BUF
OTT

When a player like Petey is on the trade block... stuff like cap space isn't a roadblock. You move heaven and earth to get a player like him. That's what Florida did with Tkachuk and almost walked away with the Cup. That's what Vegas did with Eichel and they actually walked away with the Cup.
 
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This is hilarious because Tkachuk just got traded for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a first last year.

This is also hilarious because Eichel was coming off a major back surgery and had a lot of questions on whether or not he'd be the same player. Petey is healthy and coming off a 100 point season. Eichel package will be a baseline but the package will be more.

You were probably singing the same tune about whatever you're trying to convince yourself.

I could easily make ten different packages from ten different teams in like 20-30 minutes.

This is such an unserious post.

A. You don't know this for a fact - you're just making assumptions. I agree he wouldn't go in the division but everywhere else is up for grabs.

B. How does this eliminate plenty of teams? There are a ton of good teams in the East/Central

C. Almost every team can come up with a package for Petey. He's going to demand a fortune but he's probably worth 5/6 first round picks in value - every team has that type of asset value in their organization.

D. Vancouver could easily take cap back if they are going to rebuild. Cap would not be an issue at that point as they could easily take some contracts back.

I mean if you want to tell yourself in your head that there would be only 4-5 serious teams... sure. That number is probably closer to double.

Just off the top of my head, teams that could make sense:

COL
MIN
LA
WPG
BOS
CAR
TOR
NYR
NYI
FLA
BUF
OTT

When a player like Petey is on the trade block... stuff like cap space isn't a roadblock. You move heaven and earth to get a player like him. That's what Florida did with Tkachuk and almost walked away with the Cup. That's what Vegas did with Eichel and they actually walked away with the Cup.
"This is hilarious because Tkachuk just got traded for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a first last year."

You realize both Huberdeau & Weegar were FAs next year? Also both were about to turn 30? Pretty much everyone would take Tuch + Krebs at 5.5M for the next 4 years over that.

"This is also hilarious because Eichel was coming off a major back surgery and had a lot of questions on whether or not he'd be the same player. Petey is healthy and coming off a 100 point season. Eichel package will be a baseline but the package will be more."

Eichel was signed long term. Petey isn't. That acts as a NMC. Petey won't sign long term with a team he doesn't want to be traded to. A team won't trade for Petey if he doesn't want to sign there.

"A. You don't know this for a fact - you're just making assumptions. I agree he wouldn't go in the division but everywhere else is up for grabs."

Teams don't trade their young superstar player in division lmao. Usually not in conference either. This isn't a rental.

"B. How does this eliminate plenty of teams? There are a ton of good teams in the East/Central"

There are also a ton of bad teams.

"C. Almost every team can come up with a package for Petey. He's going to demand a fortune but he's probably worth 5/6 first round picks in value - every team has that type of asset value in their organization."

LOL I forgot he's Gretzky. Funny thing is Gretzky couldn't even get 6 first rounders back.

"D. Vancouver could easily take cap back if they are going to rebuild. Cap would not be an issue at that point as they could easily take some contracts back."

Cap certainly would be an issue for contending teams. You think Toronto could fit Petey?

"Just off the top of my head, teams that could make sense:


COL
MIN
LA
WPG
BOS

CAR
TOR
NYR
NYI
FLA

BUF
OTT

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I'll trim down the list for you

BOS doesn't have assets to trade for Petey. Toronto doesn't have room. Isles don't have assets. Florida doesn't have assets or picks. Min/Col have limited assets and are in the west. LA has 3 centers signed long term and just signed PLD. I would bet you a lot of money that Petey would not be interested in WPG. 4 teams remaining CAR/BUF/NYR/OTT. NYR doesn't have the assets. Neither does Ottawa who just traded their two top 10 picks recently. Only CAR/BUF would be realistic suitors.


"When a player like Petey is on the trade block... stuff like cap space isn't a roadblock. You move heaven and earth to get a player like him. That's what Florida did with Tkachuk and almost walked away with the Cup. That's what Vegas did with Eichel and they actually walked away with the Cup."

Yes cap is a roadblock lmao.
 

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"This is hilarious because Tkachuk just got traded for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a first last year."

You realize both Huberdeau & Weegar were FAs next year? Also both were about to turn 30? Pretty much everyone would take Tuch + Krebs at 5.5M for the next 4 years over that.

"This is also hilarious because Eichel was coming off a major back surgery and had a lot of questions on whether or not he'd be the same player. Petey is healthy and coming off a 100 point season. Eichel package will be a baseline but the package will be more."

Eichel was signed long term. Petey isn't. That acts as a NMC. Petey won't sign long term with a team he doesn't want to be traded to. A team won't trade for Petey if he doesn't want to sign there.

"A. You don't know this for a fact - you're just making assumptions. I agree he wouldn't go in the division but everywhere else is up for grabs."

Teams don't trade their young superstar player in division lmao. Usually not in conference either. This isn't a rental.

"B. How does this eliminate plenty of teams? There are a ton of good teams in the East/Central"

There are also a ton of bad teams.

"C. Almost every team can come up with a package for Petey. He's going to demand a fortune but he's probably worth 5/6 first round picks in value - every team has that type of asset value in their organization."

LOL I forgot he's Gretzky. Funny thing is Gretzky couldn't even get 6 first rounders back.

"D. Vancouver could easily take cap back if they are going to rebuild. Cap would not be an issue at that point as they could easily take some contracts back."

Cap certainly would be an issue for contending teams. You think Toronto could fit Petey?

"Just off the top of my head, teams that could make sense:


COL
MIN
LA
WPG
BOS

CAR
TOR
NYR
NYI
FLA

BUF
OTT

"

I'll trim down the list for you

BOS doesn't have assets to trade for Petey. Toronto doesn't have room. Isles don't have assets. Florida doesn't have assets or picks. Min/Col have limited assets and are in the west. LA has 3 centers signed long term and just signed PLD. I would bet you a lot of money that Petey would not be interested in WPG. 4 teams remaining CAR/BUF/NYR/OTT. NYR doesn't have the assets. Neither does Ottawa who just traded their two top 10 picks recently. Only CAR/BUF would be realistic suitors.


"When a player like Petey is on the trade block... stuff like cap space isn't a roadblock. You move heaven and earth to get a player like him. That's what Florida did with Tkachuk and almost walked away with the Cup. That's what Vegas did with Eichel and they actually walked away with the Cup."

Yes cap is a roadblock lmao.

You're literally trimming down the list as if you were God and you knew everything in life and exactly how things would go.

Do you even read your own posts? Who got you this delusional?

I'll fix your work.

Boston may not have assets to trade for Petey but they can put up a package that is WAY better than the garbage that's being thrown around here. A Lysell/Zacha/Swayman package would be way better value than the mid tier assets most of these packages have.

Toronto could easily offer Marner+ for Petey and move Tavares to the wing... in fact, they would probably be a better team from that deal.

Isles could easily offer a Barzal+ package. This package again would be way better than the collective heap of mid assets you guys are just throwing in here.

Minny has one of the deepest prospect pools in the league. What the hell are you talking about lmao. They were voted by the Athletic as the #1 prospect pool in the league - what do you mean they have limited assets? Any deal with Boldy or Eriksson Ek involved would already be infinitely better than the packages that are being presented here.

Kings can easily move Dubois back to the wing. Kopitar is 36. Petey and Dubois would be an excellent centre duo for Kopitar to pass the torch to. Kings have a boat load of assets to play with.

Winnipeg... maybe, maybe not. Luckily you're not Petey himself to verify. But from the way you're talking, I'm guessing you already know what Petey is thinking before he thinks of it himself. You're basically God himself knowing all this information.

How would NYR not have the assets? Are you just trolling at this point? Any package involving a combination of Chytil/Laffy/Kakko/KAM/Schneider is already way better than anything being thrown around here.

Ottawa doesn't have assets? Any package involving Josh Norris is already way better than the aforementioned packages mentioned here. They also have guys like Shane Pinto and Drake Batherson. I imagine Chabot is going to be available as well since Sanderson will likely surpass him.

COL
MIN
LA
WPG
BOS
CAR
TOR
NYR
NYI
FLA
BUF
OTT

Here you go mate - fixed it for ya.

Again... not sure if you're trolling but saying stuff like the Rangers or the Senators don't have assets is downright laughable.

In terms of available assets:
KAM/Kakko/Lafreniere/Chytil/Schneider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peterka, Kulich, Ostlund, Mitts
Pinto/Norris/Batherson/Chabot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peterka, Kulich, Ostlund, Mitts

Why is there a Canucks fan in here raging over us not wanting to give up Cozens for Petey lmao. So random.
Raging is a funny weird. Just putting things into perspective.

It's funny because Buffalo just went through this with Eichel.

Yet some of these packages are worse than the Tuch package. Petey also is a better player than Eichel at the time he got traded and wasn't coming off major neck surgery.

If your package doesn't beat Eichel's package, it means it's not even close.
 

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Raging is a funny weird. Just putting things into perspective.

It's funny because Buffalo just went through this with Eichel.

Yet some of these packages are worse than the Tuch package. Petey also is a better player than Eichel at the time he got traded and wasn't coming off major neck surgery.

If your package doesn't beat Eichel's package, it means it's not even close.
You're not putting anything into perspective. You're just rambling and upset about what people would actually give up.

Yea and you remind me of the fans on here who thought we were getting Zegras+Drysdale+3rd overall for Eichel. Completely delusional. Hilarious that you think he'd be getting more than Gretzky.

Petey isn't signed long term how do you not get that? Bro can literally head to FA if he wants after next season. He's also had only one really good season.
 

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You're literally trimming down the list as if you were God and you knew everything in life and exactly how things would go.



Minny has one of the deepest prospect pools in the league. What the hell are you talking about lmao. They were voted by the Athletic as the #1 prospect pool in the league - what do you mean they have limited assets? Any deal with Boldy or Eriksson Ek involved would already be infinitely better than the packages that are being presented here.

Kings can easily move Dubois back to the wing. Kopitar is 36. Petey and Dubois would be an excellent centre duo for Kopitar to pass the torch to. Kings have a boat load of assets to play with.

Winnipeg... maybe, maybe not. Luckily you're not Petey himself to verify. But from the way you're talking, I'm guessing you already know what Petey is thinking before he thinks of it himself. You're basically God himself knowing all this information.

How would NYR not have the assets? Are you just trolling at this point? Any package involving a combination of Chytil/Laffy/Kakko/KAM/Schneider is already way better than anything being thrown around here.

Ottawa doesn't have assets? Any package involving Josh Norris is already way better than the aforementioned packages mentioned here. They also have guys like Shane Pinto and Drake Batherson. I imagine Chabot is going to be available as well since Sanderson will likely surpass him.

COL
MIN
LA
WPG
BOS
CAR
TOR
NYR
NYI
FLA
BUF
OTT

Here you go mate - fixed it for ya.

Again... not sure if you're trolling but saying stuff like the Rangers or the Senators don't have assets is downright laughable.

In terms of available assets:
KAM/Kakko/Lafreniere/Chytil/Schneider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peterka, Kulich, Ostlund, Mitts
Pinto/Norris/Batherson/Chabot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peterka, Kulich, Ostlund, Mitts
"You're literally trimming down the list as if you were God and you knew everything in life and exactly how things would go."

Why? Because I'm looking at things realistically? Not just a homer that thinks he's getting 6 first round picks back in value lmao?

"Lysell/Zacha/Swayman package would be way better value than the mid tier assets most of these packages have."

That's like close to Eichel trade value lmao. How do you go from 6 first rounders to that package?

"Toronto could easily offer Marner+ for Petey and move Tavares to the wing... in fact, they would probably be a better team from that deal.
Isles could easily offer a Barzal+ package. This package again would be way better than the collective heap of mid assets you guys are just throwing in here."

And you called me delusional? How does this make these teams better by trading their 1C & their selke top line winger? How do these even make sense?

The rest don't even make sense? Why would playoff teams trade their young guys signed? Just throwing names out there at this point. This isn't NHL 23.

KAM/Kakko/Lafreniere/Chytil/Schneider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peterka, Kulich, Ostlund, Mitts

LOL. You have to be trolling

Pinto/Norris/Batherson/Chabot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peterka, Kulich, Ostlund, Mitts

Why is Chabot on here lmao? What made you pick these players? Thanks for the entertainment this morning lol.
 

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If you want to bring EP in you talk to Dahlin about a discount. Players would be excited to have a chance at the cup.

I think the trade value depends a lot on the cost of the EP extension. At 10 sharp I wouldn't go above Quinn, Rosén, 1st with a bunch of crap added for them to flip like UPL, Olofsson, Jokiharju.
 

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5. Buffalo Sabres

If calling the Oilers fun is a bit of a stretch, calling the Buffalo Sabres fun is full-on masochism. And yet here we are again, doing our silly little predictions, having our silly little hope, banging our silly little drum.

Objectively, this should be the year they snap the NHL's longest playoff drought (12 seasons). Tage Thompson has established himself as one of the best players in the league, full stop. Rasmus Dahlin is shaping up into the player we always thought he could be. Jeff Skinner is highly entertaining on and off the ice and has been a perfect complement to the offense. Alex Tuch fit right in.

You've got some exciting kids on the come up like Owen Power on defense and Jack Quinn on offense. Northeastern alum Devon Levi in net is super enticing. This is a playoff team on paper, if that piece of paper was not crumpled up on the ground next to an upstate New York Tim Hortons.

Before last season I said believing in the Sabres feels like participating in a toxic relationship, and unfortunately that only got more accurate on the safety violation-breaking roller coaster that was their 2022-23 season. They say that the longer you stay in one of these relationships, the more delusional you get and the harder it becomes to leave.

Well here we are, folks! I simply have no choice but to fully embrace this miserable experience once again, and I hope we're at least in this together. Maybe that's the fun part.
 

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If the Sabres were to sign OP to that deal, few would have an issue with it.

I think Sanderson is in that tier of young D.

I may be in the minority, but I find Sanderson's overall game to be better. He does actually what his position entails - defend. And for only a mild slice less impact offensively with the added plus of not being a complete wuss.
 

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I may be in the minority, but I find Sanderson's overall game to be better. He does actually what his position entails - defend. And for only a mild slice less impact offensively with the added plus of not being a complete wuss.

I agree that right now, Sanderson's game is better overall -- ESPECIALLY in the defensive zone.

That said, I still think Power's ceiling is overall a bit higher.
 

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I may be in the minority, but I find Sanderson's overall game to be better. He does actually what his position entails - defend. And for only a mild slice less impact offensively with the added plus of not being a complete wuss.
I think Sanderson is way more polished defensively. I think Power is a bigger and slightly less offensively skilled and slightly less physical version of Dahlin in that he is really different that almost all D with the puck on his stick and how he flows in and out of the attack.

Sanderson was a guy that was really good in transition defense and my questions were around the offensive upside. But, he has developed way more offensively than I expected to this point.
 

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Anyone remember when he was active on Twitter? Guess he's probably further along now, but he was the king of basic charts visualized 12 different ways
 
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