Around the NHL: PTO Season Becomes Waiver Season

[DJN21]

I wouldn't call Krebs a "hit"

Given the lack of addition of a bottom 6 center (jost doesnt count...hes just jost)...we damn well better hope Krebs is a "hit" this year...

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

The excuse of injuries... So are you advocating for more NHL level depth then? Because you can't just add that ad infinitum. Sure there's one spot for another forward but I'm not mad letting the Roch guys battle for it. D is full obviously.

And yeah sure explain to me who Zemgus Girgensons is (and I assume by extension why he doesn't belong on this roster).

Wow, you literally missed on every point.

Replacing Jost with a good middle
6 forward and adding a player that pushes a Quinn or Peterka down to VOs spot isn’t even in the sniffing range of ad infinitum. Zemgus Girgensons is a dawg on the fourth line playing keep away with OK and Krebs, not so much if you’re asking him to pick up a scoring roll alongside VO and Tyson Jost.

I’m not mad they’re counting on a kid from
Rochester to fill in. It is possible to entertain multiple opinions while still having a preferred one. Some would say that’s how you’re supposed to do it.

But by not doing the first point and by counting on a group of young players to substitute in who have never successfully performed those roles in the NHL, while also counting on Quinn and Peterka to improve, and running that goalie stable out, he’s clearly chosen a riskier path that conserves team assets and promotes internal development over a path that should give you a better shot at making the playoffs. So if they have injuries, and the replacements don’t get them there, well that was a decision made by KA. He wants to run a roster focused on development. I’m fine with that because it’s probably what the team is best at. But they also don’t get to chose the development path and then get a pass if it doesn’t work.

 

[OkimLom]

Had to laugh at NHL Networks Atlantic Division Needs having Buffalo notable signings as Clifton, Johnson, and Jost. I then braced for impact of what this season brings.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Had to laugh at NHL Networks Atlantic Division Needs having Buffalo notable signings as Clifton, Johnson, and Jost. I then braced for impact of what this season brings.

It’s not wrong. That has been their notable signings

 

[OkimLom]

It’s not wrong. That has been their notable signings

Fully aware. Just eye opening when you compare it to the teams around us and above us that we are competing with.

 

[TommyDangles]

he’s clearly chosen a riskier path that conserves team assets and promotes internal development over a path that should give you a better shot at making the playoffs.

I'd say it's the safer path. Trading significant assets and giving huge contracts to guys like Timo (who you suggested) is the far riskier path. The path guys like Tim Murray & Jason Botterill (to a lesser degree) took.

What happens if a prospect doesn't work out? You can pretty easily cut ties maybe get something back in a trade. If the guy you just gave a huge contract to doesn't work out you're stuck with it. Even if it does work out you're putting yourself in a rough position with the cap in a few years.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Fully aware. Just eye opening when you compare it to the teams around us and above us that we are competing with.

Probably. I’ll be annoyed if Ottawa or Detroit makes the playoffs this year, but I do understand it. Adams is basically trying to get the team to decide they wanna run through a wall to get the Sabres into the playoffs. I agree with that sentiment, but I also am of the opinion that the team needs to make the other team beat them no matter how they play. Even in a grinding game, the Sabres are faster as a whole. So they need to decide it’s their puck and the opposition needs to fight them for it.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

I'd say it's the safer path. Trading significant assets and giving huge contracts to guys like Timo (who you suggested) is the far riskier path. The path guys like Tim Murray & Jason Botterill (to a lesser degree) took.

What happens if a prospect doesn't work out? You can pretty easily cut ties maybe get something back in a trade. If the guy you just gave a huge contract to doesn't work out you're stuck with it. Even if it does work out you're putting yourself in a rough position with the cap in a few years.

That’s the entire point. Prospects don’t always work out. Timo Meier is Timo Meier. Most prospects don’t become NHL stars, most stars don’t forget how to play hockey on a new team.

Additionally, I never said trades are like walking the dog and developing prospects is like walking the Korangal Valley blasting ‘born in the usa’. Hence the rest of the post where I say I’m not upset about the path they chose. But the odds of prospect X hitting his ceiling is less than a power forward averaging just under ppg forgetting how to play hockey in a system that turned the bumbling Sabres into a top 5 offense. It’s even lower when you factor in that the Sabres want to win next year.

But if prospect X doesn’t work out you say oh well you move on. Where do the Sabres move on to if it’s another season where peterka and Quinn get benched in the third because Donny doesn’t trust them. Or where do the Sabres go if Levi is another .890 goalie. You don’t just move on. You lose seasons. And that last part is the entire point of the post that you skipped past to point out the less risky part. They’re choosing to be safe and that puts next season at risk. It’s all well and good oh they didn’t get a bad contract. Tage is a year older, tuch is a year older, skinner is a year older, dahlin is a year older, and they’re still waiting for the next guy to develop. Heroic runs to 9th.

 

[Irie]

But if prospect X doesn’t work out you say oh well you move on. Where do the Sabres move on to if it’s another season where peterka and Quinn get benched in the third because Donny doesn’t trust them. Or where do the Sabres go if Levi is another .890 goalie. You don’t just move on. You lose seasons. And that last part is the entire point of the post that you skipped past to point out the less risky part. They’re choosing to be safe and that puts next season at risk. It’s all well and good oh they didn’t get a bad contract. Tage is a year older, tuch is a year older, skinner is a year older, dahlin is a year older, and they’re still waiting for the next guy to develop. Heroic runs to 9th.

I think it is really only a lost season if everyone stagnates. Given the team's age, I am expecting solid gains from Cozens, Power, Krebs, Peterka, Samuelsson, Quinn (when he hopefully returns healthy) and even Dahlin in multiple areas... even if everyone's scoring tails off, learning the subtleties of being a pro and becoming more complete players should come with more experience for most of this young roster.

Guys like Thompson and Tuch may also regress on the scoresheet, but Tuch is learning to PK and play a 200 ft game, and Tage is still learning how to play Center in the NHL. The skills they both hopefully pick up this season should be invaluable for the playoff runs in the future.

Hopefully even Mitts takes a solid step forward and has a full year of productive play vs his up and down inconsistent year last year.

I expect KO, Girgs, and Skinner to show a bit more decline, but that regression is an acceptable price to pay for the development the rest of the roster should go through.

It is easy to say, "Meier would have been a smart move", but what if Meier went through with the arbitration (assuming Buffalo smartly filed), and he was on a one year deal and a UFA next summer? Would there then be major drama or pressure hanging over the dressing room now?

I think there would have been big risks had Adams taken the trade route as well that we can't say for certain would not have had negative consequences. (I am a big Meier fan and I was all for acquiring him *if* he came with an extension - for the record). But would the team really be better off had they given up 13th(benson) + one of Savoie, Ostlund or Kulich and Meier turned out to be a major distraction without a contract?

You are right when you say Adams played it safe, but the team is so young, I am completely ok with playing it safe for another season. The time will come where playing it safe is no longer a real option, but I just don't think that time is here yet.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Maybe I haven't been paying attention to previous seasons, but without a look back, it seems like there's a lot of free agents sitting around waiting to be signed.

Kane, Dumba, Pius Suter all out there. And a bunch of no-QO types: Comtois, Jones, Bellows, White.

 

[TommyDangles]

That’s the entire point. Prospects don’t always work out. Timo Meier is Timo Meier. Most prospects don’t become NHL stars, most stars don’t forget how to play hockey on a new team.

Additionally, I never said trades are like walking the dog and developing prospects is like walking the Korangal Valley blasting ‘born in the usa’. Hence the rest of the post where I say I’m not upset about the path they chose. But the odds of prospect X hitting his ceiling is less than a power forward averaging just under ppg forgetting how to play hockey in a system that turned the bumbling Sabres into a top 5 offense. It’s even lower when you factor in that the Sabres want to win next year.

But if prospect X doesn’t work out you say oh well you move on. Where do the Sabres move on to if it’s another season where peterka and Quinn get benched in the third because Donny doesn’t trust them. Or where do the Sabres go if Levi is another .890 goalie. You don’t just move on. You lose seasons. And that last part is the entire point of the post that you skipped past to point out the less risky part. They’re choosing to be safe and that puts next season at risk. It’s all well and good oh they didn’t get a bad contract. Tage is a year older, tuch is a year older, skinner is a year older, dahlin is a year older, and they’re still waiting for the next guy to develop. Heroic runs to 9th.

Neither do big acquisitions always work out lol. I don't get how prioritizing your prospects is risky, but making a big trade and singing a guy to a huge contract isn't? Guys aren't guaranteed to work out on their new team. You can ask the Sens about DeBrincat. You can ask the Islanders about Horvat.

> But the odds of prospect X hitting his ceiling is less than a power forward averaging just under ppg forgetting how to play hockey in a system that turned the bumbling Sabres into a top 5 offense. It’s even lower when you factor in that the Sabres want to win next year.

Nobody thinks he's gonna forget how to play hockey. It's a real possibility though that he's just a 50-60 point guy that's making 8.8M for the next 8 years. No clue how you leave that part out. Power forwards tend to not age that well either. Can't completely ignore how that contract will impact the team in the future. Sorry Kulich we know you're playing well, but we gotta trade you because we can't afford the contract you want because of the 30+ year old power forward making 8.8M.

> But if prospect X doesn’t work out you say oh well you move on. Where do the Sabres move on to if it’s another season where peterka and Quinn get benched in the third because Donny doesn’t trust them.

Good thing is we aren't reliant on one prospect making it like some of the old regimes were (Mitts being ROR replacement & no back up plan).

Adams approach has been to throw as many darts to the board and see what sticks. Not just throw one and hope you get a bullseye.

> Donny doesn’t trust them. Or where do the Sabres go if Levi is another .890 goalie. You don’t just move on.

You do move on lmao? If Levi is a bust it's pretty easy to cut ties with him. There isn't much risk.

> They’re choosing to be safe and that puts next season at risk. Tage is a year older, tuch is a year older, skinner is a year older, dahlin is a year older, and they’re still waiting for the next guy to develop. Heroic runs to 9th.

Did you black out during the last 10 years? I just don't get the mindset that making big trades is guaranteed to turn us into contenders & trying to develop our prospects is risky. When both of our previous GMs that set this team back years did that approach.

Like hey this prioritizing our young guys approach is working well so far, but lets go back to the Tim Murray way. We need give up Jiri Kulich or Zach Benson for a new shiny toy that wants to make 8M+

> It’s all well and good oh they didn’t get a bad contract.

Yea I agree.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Neither do big acquisitions always work out lol. I don't get how prioritizing your prospects is risky, but making a big trade and singing a guy to a huge contract isn't? Guys aren't guaranteed to work out on their new team. You can ask the Sens about DeBrincat. You can ask the Islanders about Horvat.

> But the odds of prospect X hitting his ceiling is less than a power forward averaging just under ppg forgetting how to play hockey in a system that turned the bumbling Sabres into a top 5 offense. It’s even lower when you factor in that the Sabres want to win next year.

Nobody thinks he's gonna forget how to play hockey. It's a real possibility though that he's just a 50-60 point guy that's making 8.8M for the next 8 years. No clue how you leave that part out. Power forwards tend to not age that well either. Can't completely ignore how that contract will impact the team in the future. Sorry Kulich we know you're playing well, but we gotta trade you because we can't afford the contract you want because of the 30+ year old power forward making 8.8M.

> But if prospect X doesn’t work out you say oh well you move on. Where do the Sabres move on to if it’s another season where peterka and Quinn get benched in the third because Donny doesn’t trust them.

Good thing is we aren't reliant on one prospect making it like some of the old regimes were (Mitts being ROR replacement & no back up plan).

Adams approach has been to throw as many darts to the board and see what sticks. Not just throw one and hope you get a bullseye.

> Donny doesn’t trust them. Or where do the Sabres go if Levi is another .890 goalie. You don’t just move on.

You do move on lmao? If Levi is a bust it's pretty easy to cut ties with him. There isn't much risk.

> They’re choosing to be safe and that puts next season at risk. Tage is a year older, tuch is a year older, skinner is a year older, dahlin is a year older, and they’re still waiting for the next guy to develop. Heroic runs to 9th.

Did you black out during the last 10 years? I just don't get the mindset that making big trades is guaranteed to turn us into contenders & trying to develop our prospects is risky. When both of our previous GMs that set this team back years did that approach.

Like hey this prioritizing our young guys approach is working well so far, but lets go back to the Tim Murray way. We need give up Jiri Kulich or Zach Benson for a new shiny toy that wants to make 8M+

> It’s all well and good oh they didn’t get a bad contract.

Yea I agree.

I don’t disagree with any of this and never said I did

In fact, I’ve said I agreed with it multiple times

That’s not true you invent several arguments I never make but it’s not worth my time addressing every Tim Murray comparison like we’re 4 years old and think every gm that ever makes a trade is a failure, like Vegas didn’t just win a cup and has been 1 of the most successful franchises in the nhl since their inception. You know that team that makes a blockbuster trade every off season.

Some people need to take a good look at the tim Murray team and figure out the real take aways from that team and stop spouting nonsense. Like neglecting depth, hiring a coach that couldn’t coach the players, and neglecting personalties instead of the trades are bad crap.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

I think it is really only a lost season if everyone stagnates. Given the team's age, I am expecting solid gains from Cozens, Power, Krebs, Peterka, Samuelsson, Quinn (when he hopefully returns healthy) and even Dahlin in multiple areas... even if everyone's scoring tails off, learning the subtleties of being a pro and becoming more complete players should come with more experience for most of this young roster.

Guys like Thompson and Tuch may also regress on the scoresheet, but Tuch is learning to PK and play a 200 ft game, and Tage is still learning how to play Center in the NHL. The skills they both hopefully pick up this season should be invaluable for the playoff runs in the future.

Hopefully even Mitts takes a solid step forward and has a full year of productive play vs his up and down inconsistent year last year.

I expect KO, Girgs, and Skinner to show a bit more decline, but that regression is an acceptable price to pay for the development the rest of the roster should go through.

A point I’ve agreed with a number of times. Anytime someone tries to slate Adams for not making moves I point out that the roster is very young and consistently improving. My only point here is that this still sounds like a development season. Not a we are a top 5 scoring team that plays competitively against everyone but the best teams in the league. When in fact they were a top 5 scoring team that played competitive hockey against everyone but the very top of the league. And if they had someone like Meier or Chychrun or Keller or anyone that Granato trusted in the top 6 more than VO, Quinn, Joker, or Peterka, we are probably taking about a team that made the playoffs last season.

It is easy to say, "Meier would have been a smart move", but what if Meier went through with the arbitration (assuming Buffalo smartly filed), and he was on a one year deal and a UFA next summer? Would there then be major drama or pressure hanging over the dressing room now?

I think there would have been big risks had Adams taken the trade route as well that we can't say for certain would not have had negative consequences. (I am a big Meier fan and I was all for acquiring him *if* he came with an extension - for the record). But would the team really be better off had they given up 13th(benson) + one of Savoie, Ostlund or Kulich and Meier turned out to be a major distraction without a contract?

Well what if Meiers becomes a distraction. Ya that would suck. Do you have any reason to suspect that would have happened? It hasn’t happened in Jersey. Is it anything more or less likely then us not developing a 70 point power forward with great shot generation ability? Meier could be a 55 point forward with an 8.8 million dollar contract. Or he could come to a team that scores like crazy and follow the trend of everyone else on the roster and improve his production. Tuch, Skinner, and Thompson had career years under Granato, why would you think Meier would lose production coming here when so many other players have increased production? Given what we’ve already seen shouldn’t we expect Meier to at least stay consistent if not improve his career totals?

These fears that Meier would be a distraction or wouldn’t be worth the money don’t seem to coincide with any of the things we’ve seen actually happen.

The only thing I’d concede is that at the time Meier was traded I didn’t think a player like Benson would slide to 13. But again no one saw that coming. And if you trade for Meier, that first isn’t Benson, it’s a pick much closer to 20.

You are right when you say Adams played it safe, but the team is so young, I am completely ok with playing it safe for another season. The time will come where playing it safe is no longer a real option, but I just don't think that time is here yet.

And I’ve agreed with this point a number of times. But there isn’t a date on the calendar that on the second before midnight you must go 1 way and a second later you must go the other. Players become available, you take a look at what that player brings and decide if that player makes your future better than the opportunity cost. The fact that the team is so young is exactly why I would have preferred them to make a move or 2 to secure some players that aren’t still going through growing pains. I think a lot of these moves when you factor out all the pluses and minuses are probably not that much different, which is why I’m in favor of both approaches. It’s a great young team that is probably pretty damn successful in 2-3 years, or you could be pretty damn successful now. I don’t think the middle future 3-6 years from now, change much making any of these moves, but the next 3 years could be dramatically different.

 

[TommyDangles]

I don’t disagree with any of this and never said I did

In fact, I’ve said I agreed with it multiple times

That’s not true you invent several arguments I never make but it’s not worth my time addressing every Tim Murray comparison like we’re 4 years old and think every gm that ever makes a trade is a failure, like Vegas didn’t just win a cup and has been 1 of the most successful franchises in the nhl since their inception. You know that team that makes a blockbuster trade every off season.

Some people need to take a good look at the tim Murray team and figure out the real take aways from that team and stop spouting nonsense. Like neglecting depth, hiring a coach that couldn’t coach the players, and neglecting personalties instead of the trades are bad crap.

You called the internal development approach risky lol. While at the same time suggesting making big trades. I'm literally just replying to what you commented.

"like Vegas didn’t just win a cup and has been 1 of the most successful franchises in the nhl since their inception. You know that team that makes a blockbuster trade every off season."

Lol why even bother making a comparison to a team that had the very unique opportunity to have an expansion draft. They're not a normal team.

"Some people need to take a good look at the tim Murray team and figure out the real take aways from that team and stop spouting nonsense"

The guy had no clue how to build a team. He tried to speedrun a rebuild to appease the fans and get to the playoffs ASAP. No real consideration for the future.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

You called the internal development approach risky lol. While at the same time suggesting making big trades. I'm literally just replying to what you commented.

"like Vegas didn’t just win a cup and has been 1 of the most successful franchises in the nhl since their inception. You know that team that makes a blockbuster trade every off season."

Lol why even bother making a comparison to a team that had the very unique opportunity to have an expansion draft. They're not a normal team.

"Some people need to take a good look at the tim Murray team and figure out the real take aways from that team and stop spouting nonsense"

The guy had no clue how to build a team. He tried to speedrun a rebuild to appease the fans and get to the playoffs ASAP. No real consideration for the future.

lets look at cup finals:
Vegas - dont need to say much, blockbuster trades every year, makes moves to dump salary every year
Florida - arguably best forward acquired via blockbuster trade, arguably best dman risky fa signing, starting goalie is the poster boy for bad contracts and carried them to the cup finals

there just isnt a blanket argument to be made that trades stop you from winning, bad trades sure

and to tim murray you said it yourself "the guy had no clue how to build a team" which is exactly what I said, he neglected depth, he brought in players that didnt mesh with his coach, and ignored personality issues that eventually broke up the roster

oh by the way Tuch was traded for and so was skinner, guess we are doomed?

0 legit arguments that say you cant make trades and win cups

 

[Irie]

Well what if Meiers becomes a distraction. Ya that would suck. Do you have any reason to suspect that would have happened? It hasn’t happened in Jersey. Is it anything more or less likely then us not developing a 70 point power forward with great shot generation ability? Meier could be a 55 point forward with an 8.8 million dollar contract. Or he could come to a team that scores like crazy and follow the trend of everyone else on the roster and improve his production. Tuch, Skinner, and Thompson had career years under Granato, why would you think Meier would lose production coming here when so many other players have increased production? Given what we’ve already seen shouldn’t we expect Meier to at least stay consistent if not improve his career totals?

I have zero concerns that Meier may be a bad player and not worth an extension. It is the concerns that he would not sign in Buffalo after giving up a ton for him, and the distraction that having a player unsigned and likely bolting at the end of the year brings to locker rooms.

This is a buffalo team with a bunch of young impressionable guys that seemingly are very close-knit and want to battle for each other and build a team together. I have no delusions that what makes this team special is the personalities in that room and their bond to each other and not the city or the organization.

It is a great chemistry mix, which is incredibly rare. Not sure I want the highest paid player on the team not all in and making others question their belief in the group.

And I’ve agreed with this point a number of times. But there isn’t a date on the calendar that on the second before midnight you must go 1 way and a second later you must go the other. Players become available, you take a look at what that player brings and decide if that player makes your future better than the opportunity cost. The fact that the team is so young is exactly why I would have preferred them to make a move or 2 to secure some players that aren’t still going through growing pains. I think a lot of these moves when you factor out all the pluses and minuses are probably not that much different, which is why I’m in favor of both approaches. It’s a great young team that is probably pretty damn successful in 2-3 years, or you could be pretty damn successful now. I don’t think the middle future 3-6 years from now, change much making any of these moves, but the next 3 years could be dramatically different.

There Is not a hard date that the switch flips and the team has to finally go all in, no. There is a window where going all in too early more than likely submarines a rebuild though.

Getting a guy like Meier and extending him does not do that. But trading for a guy like Meier and having him walk in a year absolutely puts a huge damper on the teams long-term championship odds.

Trading for players in their 30s, well that is a case of going for it early and targeting the wrong age core. Granato and Adams seem to submit to the point of view that those types of moves are the wrong direction for this team, so that is why we haven't and likely won't see those types of moves until the team has some of the leagues best Cup odds.

 

[TommyDangles]

lets look at cup finals:
Vegas - dont need to say much, blockbuster trades every year, makes moves to dump salary every year
Florida - arguably best forward acquired via blockbuster trade, arguably best dman risky fa signing, starting goalie is the poster boy for bad contracts and carried them to the cup finals

there just isnt a blanket argument to be made that trades stop you from winning, bad trades sure

and to tim murray you said it yourself "the guy had no clue how to build a team" which is exactly what I said, he neglected depth, he brought in players that didnt mesh with his coach, and ignored personality issues that eventually broke up the roster

oh by the way Tuch was traded for and so was skinner, guess we are doomed?

0 legit arguments that say you cant make trades and win cups

You make absolutely no sense because nobody said you can't make trades. Just arguing against no one at this point lol. Not even sure how you got "you can't make any trades at all" from me saying "big trades are risky." Quite the impressive leap.

"there just isnt a blanket argument to be made that trades stop you from winning, bad trades sure"

Nobody ever made the argument that trades stop you from winning. Are you imagining things?

"he brought in players that didnt mesh with his coach" So you agree with me. The fit is more important than just trading for any big name out there. Like some on here whining any time Adams didn't make a trade for literally any big name out there.

You act like making big trades carry no risk. That any big name is guaranteed to make our team better. Just absolutely no care for future cap either. But somehow prioritizing internal development and having a big prospect pool is risky lmao. That's the argument. Idk how you missed the point that bad.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

You make absolutely no sense because nobody said you can't make trades. Just arguing against no one at this point lol. Not even sure how you got "you can't make any trades at all" from me saying "big trades are risky." Quite the impressive leap.

"there just isnt a blanket argument to be made that trades stop you from winning, bad trades sure"

Nobody ever made the argument that trades stop you from winning. Are you imagining things?

"he brought in players that didnt mesh with his coach" So you agree with me. The fit is more important than just trading for any big name out there. Like some on here whining any time Adams didn't make a trade for literally any big name out there.

You act like making big trades carry no risk. That any big name is guaranteed to make our team better. Just absolutely no care for future cap either. But somehow prioritizing internal development and having a big prospect pool is risky lmao. That's the argument. Idk how you missed the point that bad.

No, I’m not acting like that. I’ve said a number of times I’m in favor of that approach. It’s clowns who can’t accept that there might be more than 1 successful way to build a team that have to argue a point even when the other poster agrees with you. I’m in favor of what they’re doing. I’m in favor of them making trades. I’m not ignoring the cap implications, they haven’t been brought up. I’ve never said making big trades isn’t a risk. I’ve said both positions have risk. I’ve never said development is risky, I’ve said relying on your development even though there are players that fit the roster and the timeline is riskier then just grabbing those players. Just because someone has a different opinion of what’s best doesn’t mean they don’t think what’s happening is wrong.

What’s baffling is that this a point that needs to be argued. They’ve made big trades that are now cornerstones. They’ve developed players that are now cornerstones. Both can still happen. You can trade Eichel and not lose the trade.

 

[Aladyyn]

I think people sometimes forget that our best forwards are not 22 years old, but rather 26/27/31. It would be extremely unwise to waste their peaks.

 

[Fezzy126]

I think people sometimes forget that our best forwards are not 22 years old, but rather 26/27/31. It would be extremely unwise to waste their peaks.

People also forget that our best defensemen are 23, 23, and 20. It's going to be difficult to be a real cup contender until Power begins his prime, we may be a year or two away from that happening.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

People also forget that our best defensemen are 23, 23, and 20. It's going to be difficult to be a real cup contender until Power begins his prime, we may be a year or two away from that happening.

Which is a good reason to have gone after a veteran dman to let power have a few seasons to be learning rookie instead of relied upon cornerstone.

 

[Duddy]

Cutting your contending window short because you're waiting on power is stupid.

I hope the players are at least unhappy with the lack of help they're getting once again. The vibe will run out with another playoff less season.

 

[TommyDangles]

No, I’m not acting like that. I’ve said a number of times I’m in favor of that approach. It’s clowns who can’t accept that there might be more than 1 successful way to build a team that have to argue a point even when the other poster agrees with you. I’m in favor of what they’re doing. I’m in favor of them making trades. I’m not ignoring the cap implications, they haven’t been brought up. I’ve never said making big trades isn’t a risk. I’ve said both positions have risk. I’ve never said development is risky, I’ve said relying on your development even though there are players that fit the roster and the timeline is riskier then just grabbing those players. Just because someone has a different opinion of what’s best doesn’t mean they don’t think what’s happening is wrong.

What’s baffling is that this a point that needs to be argued. They’ve made big trades that are now cornerstones. They’ve developed players that are now cornerstones. Both can still happen. You can trade Eichel and not lose the trade.

C'mon man lol. You mentioned not pulling the trigger on Timo / Chychrun were "big negatives" and then went on to say Adams going the internal development route was the "riskier" path. Acting like there isn't a ton of risk that goes with making a big trade like that. You can prefer one way to building a team. There's no issue with that. That's your opinion. Misrepresenting what other people say to try and win an argument isn't necessary. There's not really a need to be bad faith on here. This isn't debate club.

 

[Gras]

No, I’m not acting like that. I’ve said a number of times I’m in favor of that approach. It’s clowns who can’t accept that there might be more than 1 successful way to build a team that have to argue a point even when the other poster agrees with you. I’m in favor of what they’re doing. I’m in favor of them making trades. I’m not ignoring the cap implications, they haven’t been brought up. I’ve never said making big trades isn’t a risk. I’ve said both positions have risk. I’ve never said development is risky, I’ve said relying on your development even though there are players that fit the roster and the timeline is riskier then just grabbing those players. Just because someone has a different opinion of what’s best doesn’t mean they don’t think what’s happening is wrong.

What’s baffling is that this a point that needs to be argued. They’ve made big trades that are now cornerstones. They’ve developed players that are now cornerstones. Both can still happen. You can trade Eichel and not lose the trade.

So would you give up Savoie, Kulich and Benson + other picks and prospects and then have Chyc and Timo @ 8x8.8

 

[Dubi Doo]

This has been one boring ass offseason trades wise.