Around the NHL: Part XVIII

[RangerBoy]

The western conference is going to be a war to make the playoffs. Going into the season, Nashville, San Jose and Calgary were thought of as playoff teams. They would not make the playoffs if the season ended today. Vegas too. They are in the last wild card beating Calgary last night.

Toronto and Tampa are struggling in the East. They are not in playoff positions right now.

So many teams with huge commitments are struggling. How do those teams change their rosters?

Jimmy Vesey has two assists this season in 17 games. That’s it. That 3rd in 2021 looks like a steal. The Rangers weren’t getting more than a 3rd for Vesey in February 2020 with him getting 10 points this season.

 

[Tawnos]

The western conference is going to be a war to make the playoffs. Going into the season, Nashville, San Jose and Calgary were thought of as playoff teams. They would not make the playoffs if the season ended today. Vegas too. They are in the last wild card beating Calgary last night.

Toronto and Tampa are struggling in the East. They are not in playoff positions right now.

So many teams with huge commitments are struggling. How do those teams change their rosters?

Jimmy Vesey has two assists this season in 17 games. That’s it. That 3rd in 2021 looks like a steal. The Rangers weren’t getting more than a 3rd for Vesey in February 2020 with him getting 10 points this season.

I'd be pretty comfortable saying at least 4 of the 6 teams you mentioned are making the playoffs. We're 1/4 of the way in.

 

[darko]

Remember when some people said he was better than Hank.

 

[Rongomania]

Remember when some people said he was better than Hank.

Just like:

Raanta
Talbot
Holtby
Price
Rask
Rinne
Bishop

I've heard 'em all. Those comparisons have sickened me for this legends entire career.

 

[Edge]

Remember when some people said he was better than Hank.

He was always such a strange case to me.

For years it felt like we always heard about how great he was, and how he was the next great NHL goalie.

But then his apprenticeship in Vancouver kept dragging on.

Then it was supposed to happen when he went to NJ. And the early results weren’t bad, but it never quite seemed to match the hype either.

Then the fade started.

In the end, Schneider felt like a band you heard about for years, only to find him less than advertised when you finally had a chance to see him.

 

[Avery16]

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Jesus, what happened to Zubov? He looks 65 years old.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Jesus, what happened to Zubov? He looks 65 years old.

2-3 packs a day will do that to you.

 

[wolfgaze]

Came across this 1987 melee between the Wings & Sabres.... Nasty/dirty Probert punch just after the 3:20 mark... Announcer predicted it:

 

[Maximus]

I'm sorry but other than Hayley Wickenheiser, this might be THE worst NHL Hall induction year ever....seriously.

Guy Carbonneau? Really? I watched him his whole career...he was a good player...that's it...nothing more nothing less. Ridiculous that he is in the Hall.

I'll go as far as saying that as much as I love and admire our former stud Dman Zubov who was a huge part of our '94 Cup winning team, he doesn't come close to checking all the boxes for me to be a Hall of Famer. Maybe that offends some peeps in here but so be it. He just isn't a Hall of Famer to me.

If there was a Hall of the Very Good...sure sign me up for being a Zubov supporter but his stats tho quite good are far far from Hall worthy. I dunno, the qualifications to get into the Hall in the NHL just like what has occurred in baseball are really watered down lately and it's kind of laughable who is getting inducted lately and this year in particular takes the cake as far as I'm concerned.

 

[darko]

I'm sorry but other than Hayley Wickenheiser, this might be THE worst NHL Hall induction year ever....seriously.

Guy Carbonneau? Really? I watched him his whole career...he was a good player...that's it...nothing more nothing less. Ridiculous that he is in the Hall.

I'll go as far as saying that as much as I love and admire our former stud Dman Zubov who was a huge part of our '94 Cup winning team, he doesn't come close to checking all the boxes for me to be a Hall of Famer. Maybe that offends some peeps in here but so be it. He just isn't a Hall of Famer to me.

If there was a Hall of the Very Good...sure sign me up for being a Zubov supporter but his stats tho quite good are far far from Hall worthy. I dunno, the qualifications to get into the Hall in the NHL just like what has occurred in baseball are really watered down lately and it's kind of laughable who is getting inducted lately and this year in particular takes the cake as far as I'm concerned.

Agree. Neither belong in HOF.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Hey NJ, you need some goalies?

we can sell you one for the low low price of 7 first round picks

get f***ed

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well looks like Paul Maclean is in Columbus as an assistant to torts.... wish we could have gotten him

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I'm sorry but other than Hayley Wickenheiser, this might be THE worst NHL Hall induction year ever....seriously.

Guy Carbonneau? Really? I watched him his whole career...he was a good player...that's it...nothing more nothing less. Ridiculous that he is in the Hall.

I'll go as far as saying that as much as I love and admire our former stud Dman Zubov who was a huge part of our '94 Cup winning team, he doesn't come close to checking all the boxes for me to be a Hall of Famer. Maybe that offends some peeps in here but so be it. He just isn't a Hall of Famer to me.

If there was a Hall of the Very Good...sure sign me up for being a Zubov supporter but his stats tho quite good are far far from Hall worthy. I dunno, the qualifications to get into the Hall in the NHL just like what has occurred in baseball are really watered down lately and it's kind of laughable who is getting inducted lately and this year in particular takes the cake as far as I'm concerned.

I have to agree....I am also a Habs fan and I never thought much of him during his playing days.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I'm sorry but other than Hayley Wickenheiser, this might be THE worst NHL Hall induction year ever....seriously.

Guy Carbonneau? Really? I watched him his whole career...he was a good player...that's it...nothing more nothing less. Ridiculous that he is in the Hall.

I'll go as far as saying that as much as I love and admire our former stud Dman Zubov who was a huge part of our '94 Cup winning team, he doesn't come close to checking all the boxes for me to be a Hall of Famer. Maybe that offends some peeps in here but so be it. He just isn't a Hall of Famer to me.

If there was a Hall of the Very Good...sure sign me up for being a Zubov supporter but his stats tho quite good are far far from Hall worthy. I dunno, the qualifications to get into the Hall in the NHL just like what has occurred in baseball are really watered down lately and it's kind of laughable who is getting inducted lately and this year in particular takes the cake as far as I'm concerned.

Hockey Hall of Fame has become a joke. They let anyone and their mother in.

 

[McRanger]

I'm sorry but other than Hayley Wickenheiser, this might be THE worst NHL Hall induction year ever....seriously.

Guy Carbonneau? Really? I watched him his whole career...he was a good player...that's it...nothing more nothing less. Ridiculous that he is in the Hall.

I'll go as far as saying that as much as I love and admire our former stud Dman Zubov who was a huge part of our '94 Cup winning team, he doesn't come close to checking all the boxes for me to be a Hall of Famer. Maybe that offends some peeps in here but so be it. He just isn't a Hall of Famer to me.

If there was a Hall of the Very Good...sure sign me up for being a Zubov supporter but his stats tho quite good are far far from Hall worthy. I dunno, the qualifications to get into the Hall in the NHL just like what has occurred in baseball are really watered down lately and it's kind of laughable who is getting inducted lately and this year in particular takes the cake as far as I'm concerned.

Zubov is 19th in points and 20th in point per game for defensemen all time.

In his "era" (the years he played from '92-'09) the D point totals go like this: Lidstrom-937, Zubov-771, Leetch-697, Niedermeyer-691, Blake-681. For the decades of the '90s and '00s as a whole he's 4th in points.

He did never did have the one year where he won a bunch of awards that the HOF usually needs. But his career stats are pretty obviously elite.

 

[Edge]

I like Zubov and think his career is HOF worthy?

First ballet HOF? Eh, probably not. But at the end of the day, that's not really a make or break issue for me.

 

[McRanger]

I like Zubov and think his career is HOF worthy?

First ballet HOF? Eh, probably not. But at the end of the day, that's not really a make or break issue for me.

I think he made it on the 7th ballot so he's def not a 1st ballot guy.

Though this years class is so meh that if it was his 1st year he might have made it by default.

 

[Edge]

I think he made it on the 7th ballot so he's def not a 1st ballot guy.

Though this years class is so meh that if it was his 1st year he might have made it by default.

If so, that's my bad. I thought this was year one.

As far as his play goes, I think Zubov's strength was the relative level of consistency he produced. He was never really one of the very top defensemen in a given year, but he hovered around the lower half of the top 10, or at least top 15 for a sustained period of time.

 

[McRanger]

If so, that's my bad. I thought this was year one.

As far as his play goes, I think Zubov's strength was the relative level of consistency he produced. He was never really one of the very top defensemen in a given year, but he hovered around the lower half of the top 10, or at least top 15 for a sustained period of time.

Yeah when your career overlaps with the Bourques and Leetchs of the world and then Lidstrom it's very unlikely you are going to ever be the very top. But he was always up near the top. He spent most of his prime on those great Dallas teams with Hitchcock which was great for winning but not great for scoring the points needed for hardware.

 

[LokiDog]

Cale Makar is leading all rookies in scoring by an 8 point gap and also is tied for second among all D in the league in scoring. 1/4 of the way through the season, but his numbers shouldn’t suffer when Landeskog and Rantanen return to the PP unit either. Only Carlson, who is having an insane season, is ahead of him.

 

[Machinehead]

Leon Draisaitl has 43 points. Think about how many guys don't end the season with that many points.

 

[LokiDog]

Leon Draisaitl has 43 points. Think about how many guys don't end the season with that many points.

In 22 games. Over 1/4 season done and he’s still at 2P/PG

 

[aufheben]

If Guy Carbonneau gets in the HOF then they have to build a separate HOF just for Patrice Bergeron.

 

[Edge]

Yeah when your career overlaps with the Bourques and Leetchs of the world and then Lidstrom it's very unlikely you are going to ever be the very top. But he was always up near the top. He spent most of his prime on those great Dallas teams with Hitchcock which was great for winning but not great for scoring the points needed for hardware.

He was also a guy who really put a more complete package together a little later. It was really in the latter half of his second year and third year in Dallas that he hit that all-around plateau that took his game to another level.

Up to that point, even Dallas nearly moved him a few times. Ultimately they didn’t, and that worked out very well for them.