Around the NHL (Part XVIII) - Tankiest tank to have ever tanked

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Oh hey, this conversation again? I thought we were done with it when Kayes signed in August, 7 MONTHS AGO. Hey can we talk about Pirri some more too?

Anyway, I'm really pulling for Ovechkin to win the triple crown. Seeing Tavares get the Ross and Hart would be awesome though. Isles fans have been waiting a long time for him to get some hardware.

Really sucks that Kane won't get it this year

What does any of this have to do with Stalberg?

And yea, the lack of Blackhawk hockey the past two weeks has left some of us a little stir crazy.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Who I miss is #67 ,, Now that is guy this Hawks team certainly misses

Having himself another good year in Winnipeg

 

[x Tame Impala]

Tbh I don't miss frolik that much relative to how much I miss other ex-Hawks. What he gave us on the PK was largely replaced by Smith.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Tbh I don't miss frolik that much relative to how much I miss other ex-Hawks. What he gave us on the PK was largely replaced by Smith.

I loved Frolik, but Tomas Kopecky is one of my favorite all-time Hawks. Fandom has no boundaries in logic.

 

[hawksrule]

fwiw

Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun · 4m 4 minutes ago

Told there's been some real headway in talks between Johnny Boychuck's camp and the Islanders on an extension... Not done, but getting there

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Must say Snow had an excellent offseason and deserves kudos

Things looked bleak after the Vanek debacle but he has turned it around

 

[Taze em]

Boychuk signs for 6Mx 7 years. Puts Seabrook at about 7M x 7 years after next year. Good news, IMO.

 

[Hawkaholic]

And going over the last three pages, there's one guy blasting Q for Kayes, and nobody blaming Stan.

But that wouldn't fit your rigid, unwavering conviction so to hell with the facts.

Jaeger gonna Jaeger
BWC gonna BWC

 

[Hawkaholic]

Who I miss is #67 ,, Now that is guy this Hawks team certainly misses

Having himself another good year in Winnipeg

How would Frolik help this teams scoring woes? Sure, he is scoring now, but he did **** all scoring wise when he was here.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Boychuk signs for 6Mx 7 years. Puts Seabrook at about 7M x 7 years after next year. Good news, IMO.

So that's 11+mil on 2 2nd pairing Dmen. But, I guess 1st pairing Dmen will be making 9mil or so nowadays, so it's not that bad.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

How would Frolik help this teams scoring woes? Sure, he is scoring now, but he did **** all scoring wise when he was here.

Surely if given the same chances Versteeg got Frolik would have been effective scorer

Also look at it like this. If Hawks pass on giving Bickell his horrid deal that means Frolik and Hayes probably are both Hawks right now

With Frolik the Hawks don't need to trade for Versteeg and without Bickell it is likely Hayes would have been in lineup to fill his role

So wow when you look at it Stan really screwed up

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Boychuk signs for 6Mx 7 years. Puts Seabrook at about 7M x 7 years after next year. Good news, IMO.

How is Seabrook at 7M good news for Hawks?

And a defender who plays Seabrook style should not get 7 year deal which would take him until he is 38 years old

 

[Taze em]

How is Seabrook at 7M good news for Hawks?

It's only a 1.1M raise. Salary cap increases will gobble that up easily.

 

[JaegerDice]

Surely if given the same chances Versteeg got the would have been effective scorer

Also look at it like this. If Hawks pass on giving Bickell his horrid deal that means Frolik and Hayes probably are both Hawks right now

With Frolik the Hawks don't need to trade for Versteeg and without Bickell it is likely Hayes would have been in lineup to fill his role

So wow when you look at it Stan really screwed up

The better option to keep Frolik would have been to not resign Handzus (1M) and Roszival (2.2M), let alone Khabibulin (2M). More than enough money with those salaries off the books to keep both Frolik and Versteeg if they still wanted him.

Even if Bickell is still on the roster, you could keep a spot open for Hayes by not signing Carcillo (who is useless).

Hayes wasn't going to play in Chicago, regardless of a spot being available. He made that clear. He wanted no part of this organization.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Surely if given the same chances Versteeg got the would have been effective scorer

Also look at it like this. If Hawks pass on giving Bickell his horrid deal that means Frolik and Hayes probably are both Hawks right now

With Frolik the Hawks don't need to trade for Versteeg and without Bickell it is likely Hayes would have been in lineup to fill his role

So wow when you look at it Stan really screwed up

Frolik got chances in the top 6, and still didn't produce. He was a vastly overpaid 4th liner on this team, and I am happy they got what they did for him.

Versteeg is a much better offensive player, and fits much better into the top 6 than Frolik ever would have.

And Jimmy Hayes had no future here, and would have probably been traded regardless if Bickell was around or not. Which means the other Hayes probably would have still signed elsewhere.

But let's throw a bunch of hypotheticals into this and act like it would have went exactly like you portrayed.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Boychuk signs for 6Mx 7 years. Puts Seabrook at about 7M x 7 years after next year. Good news, IMO.

Just realized that Boychuk is 31..wow. 7 years is far too long for him.

 

[JaegerDice]

Just realized that Boychuk is 31..wow. 7 years is far too long for him.

That's the same age Seabrook will be when he turns UFA.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Frolik got chances in the top 6, and still didn't produce. He was a vastly overpaid 4th liner on this team, and I am happy they got what they did for him.

Versteeg is a much better offensive player, and fits much better into the top 6 than Frolik ever would have.

And Jimmy Hayes had no future here, and would have probably been traded regardless if Bickell was around or not. Which means the other Hayes probably would have still signed elsewhere.

But let's throw a bunch of hypotheticals into this and act like it would have went exactly like you portrayed.

This. He was given plenty of chances. Wasn't he our "2C" for a stretch too?

 

[hisgirlfriday]

It's only a 1.1M raise. Salary cap increases will gobble that up easily.

We can't afford to pay Seabrook 7 mil. Salary cap increases have already been gobbled.

 

[JaegerDice]

If Seabrook wants 7 million or more, he's as good as gone.

His play hasn't warranted that kind of money/cap hit since 2012.

He's not even the 2nd best defender on this team any more.

If he takes something slightly less, like 6.5 even, then maybe the Hawks move pieces around to make it work.

 

[Taze em]

We can't afford to pay Seabrook 7 mil. Salary cap increases have already been gobbled.

Not true. This is season after next. We will be cap compliant with Seabrook next year. It will be Seabrook, Versteeg and Shaw up for new contracts otherwise we're cool. You pick Seabs, give him 7 + minor raises for the Rockford guys coming off their ELC and it's easily done.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Versteeg is a better scoring option than Frolik while Frolik is the better third line player.

There would've been room for both if you don't extend Bickell.

Hindsight being 20/20. Doubt many here wanted those things two summers back.

 

[WJSN]

Boychuk deal is beyond absurd unless he continues to produce like this year. Remember he's previous career high is 23pt. His even-strength numbers aren't that great and it's not like he's been playing shutdown minutes for the Isles. Terrible deal IMO.

We're lucky if we can get Seabrook at 7m. At this rate, he might be gettin 8M per in the open market in 2016.

 

[Slopo]

Meanwhile, Keith is locked in at 5.5 mil a year.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Boychuk at 6M
Leddy at 5.5M

Makes that Hammer deal look amazing