Around the NHL - Part XLII - (Playoffs Edition)

[bl02]

If Zibs gets demoted, then that automatically makes our PP better.

Outside of the predictable one-timer, what else does Zibs do?

He fumbles the puck pretty nicely anytime a defender starts coming towards him.

 

[Machinehead]

If Zibs gets demoted, then that automatically makes our PP better.

Outside of the predictable one-timer, what else does Zibs do?

Idk he's like one of the most productive PP players in the league?

And he sucks at 5v5 so he kind of has to play PP to get any value out of his contract.

Our PP is top 5 in the league. There's no pressing reason to mess with it and it makes Laf cheaper if he only has 5v5 points going into his next contract.

 

[Leonardo87]

It's Barkov. Nobody else should get a vote.

Say what you will about Zibanejad getting shut down by the Zamboni man, Barkov has legit shut down everyone.

Barkov is the real deal.

 

[Tob]

is McDavid gunning for a SCF sweep?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Idk he's like one of the most productive PP players in the league?

And he sucks at 5v5 so he kind of has to play PP to get any value out of his contract.

Our PP is top 5 in the league. There's no pressing reason to mess with it and it makes Laf cheaper if he only has 5v5 points going into his next contract.

You can’t just keep saying that and ignore that it’s also maybe the most favorable situation for a half wall player to produce in in the league. Who’s to say someone else wouldn’t be even better there? Nobody else has played there in 5 years. Also, it’s about maximizing the power play against PKs that actually are good. We know he can stat pad against the Habs in January. I hate to be the watch the games guy but idk how somebody could’ve watched those playoffs and not seen him as the clear weak link on PP1 both in-zone and on the entries

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Idk he's like one of the most productive PP players in the league?

And he sucks at 5v5 so he kind of has to play PP to get any value out of his contract.

Our PP is top 5 in the league. There's no pressing reason to mess with it and it makes Laf cheaper if he only has 5v5 points going into his next contract.

Thanks to good buddy Kreider (King of deflections), Tro winning face-offs, and Panarin having a career year.

And you know who had shown they could skate through the defense with ease?

Laf.

A player who's shot kept improving and wasn't shy of getting to the dirty areas?

Laf.

Before the Florida series, people were clamoring that the PP sucked donkey balls.

And that's a silly reason to not play him: he is the heir apparent!

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Douchesaitl the greatest playoff performer of all time 0 points

Thanks to good buddy Kreider (King of deflections), Tro winning face-offs, and Panarin having a career year.

And you know who had shown they could skate through the defense with ease?

Laf.

A player who's shot kept improving and wasn't shy of getting to the dirty areas?

Laf.

Before the Florida series, people were clamoring that the PP sucked donkey balls.

And that's a silly reason to not play him: he is the heir apparent!

The Powerplay lost us the series

 

[PuckLuck3043]

So McDavid has 0 goals and 2 assists and Draisaitl has ZERO points after 3 games. Do they suck too or could it be the team that they are playing? Asking for a friend.

 

[Machinehead]

You can’t just keep saying that and ignore that it’s also maybe the most favorable situation for a half wall player to produce in in the league. Who’s to say someone else wouldn’t be even better there? Nobody else has played there in 5 years. Also, it’s about maximizing the power play against PKs that actually are good. We know he can stat pad against the Habs in January. I hate to be the watch the games guy but idk how somebody could’ve watched those playoffs and not seen him as the clear weak link on PP1 both in-zone and on the entries

If it's favorable and it works then what the f*** is the problem? I don't care if they put f***ing Tob on the powerplay if Tob is scoring goals.

It's a top 5 powerplay over the last like, 300 games. You're an analytics guy and you're gonna worry about like an 8 game sample? You f***ing know better.

You all just want to fap to Laf having more points. Grow up.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

So McDavid has 0 goals and 2 assists and Draisaitl has ZERO points after 3 games. Do they suck too or could it be the team that they are playing? Asking for a friend.

This bit is tired.

They’ve proven to be good players.

Trouba and Zibanejad have proven they are not.

 

[Machinehead]

Thanks to good buddy Kreider (King of deflections), Tro winning face-offs, and Panarin having a career year.

And you know who had shown they could skate through the defense with ease?

Laf.

A player who's shot kept improving and wasn't shy of getting to the dirty areas?

Laf.

Before the Florida series, people were clamoring that the PP sucked donkey balls.

And that's a silly reason to not play him: he is the heir apparent!

Before the Florida series? The powerplay is the reason we don't lose to Carolina in 5.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Before the Florida series? The powerplay is the reason we don't lose to Carolina in 5.

It say the PK had more to do with it. The PP was mid

 

[Machinehead]

It say the PK had more to do with it. The PP was mid

We're down 2-0 if they're not 4 for 9 in those games.

Everybody's powerplay runs hot and cold. That's why you have to be good at even strength. I have absolutely zero concern over the PP hitting a cold snap other than we have no ability to make up for it 5v5.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Thanks to good buddy Kreider (King of deflections), Tro winning face-offs, and Panarin having a career year.

And you know who had shown they could skate through the defense with ease?

Laf.

A player who's shot kept improving and wasn't shy of getting to the dirty areas?

Laf.

Before the Florida series, people were clamoring that the PP sucked donkey balls.

And that's a silly reason to not play him: he is the heir apparent!

I haven’t seen a single person ever make an argument for why Laf wouldn’t be a good PP player or why the power play couldn’t generate/concert more with him there

If it's favorable and it works then what the f*** is the problem? I don't care if they put f***ing Tob on the powerplay if Tob is scoring goals.

It's top 5 powerplay over the last, like 300 games. You're an analytics guy and you're gonna worry about like an 8 game sample? You f***ing know better.

You all just want to fap to Laf having more points. Grow up.

It’s not a bad power play, it’s a good one. It’s an elite power play for clapping shit teams over the large regular season sample because you don’t need a fully optimized unit there. 4 of the 5 guys out there are excellent in their roles and Fox/Panarin are all world players. When you play great PKs Mika is the clear weak link because he’s AWFUL in transition (idk why they don’t use trocheck) and sucks when pressured in-zone as well. My argument has never been that this power play is bad, it’s that Lafreniere makes it better and way less prone to slumping when there’s a real team on the other end

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I love how the narrative about the Rangers top players sucking booty juice was the only thing you heard after the series was over.

I guess McDavid and Draisaitl suck too, or maybe it's just Florida.

Rest easy gents, knowing that nobody was beating Florida this year. It was never happening. They have a team that half the league is going to try and emulate for the next 5 seasons, with the other half of the league thinking they're smarter than everyone and signing a bunch of high skilled small players to beat their forecheck (cough Devils cough).

Florida is shutting down everyone. Their entire f***ing team is like a time and space vacuum; they legit never let you have the puck for more than a second past the red line. It just doesn't happen. Their entire team is man on puck the second it hits someones stick north of the red line

 

[Machinehead]

I haven’t seen a single person ever make an argument for why Laf wouldn’t be a good PP player or why he couldn’t outproduce Mika there.

It’s not a bad power play, it’s a good one. It’s an elite power play for clapping shit teams over the large regular season sample because you don’t need a fully optimized unit there. 4 of the 5 guys out there are excellent in their roles and Fox/Panarin are all world players. When you play great PKs Mika is the clear weak link because he’s AWFUL in transition (idk why they don’t use trocheck) and sucks when pressured in-zone as well. My argument has never been that this power play is bad, it’s that Lafreniere makes it better and way less prone to slumping when there’s a real team on the other end

How do you know Lafreniere makes it better? He has like 6 powerplay points in the NHL.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We're down 2-0 if they're not 4 for 9 in those games.

Everybody's powerplay runs hot and cold. That's why you have to be good at even strength. I have absolutely zero concern over the PP hitting a cold snap other than we have no ability to make up for it 5v5.

You once proclaimed that Lafreniere is a bad PP player and you don’t want to be proven wrong.

Maybe Zib used to be a good PP player but he’s not anymore. Laf is the better player and deserves to take his place.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

How do you know Lafreniere makes it better? He has like 6 powerplay points in the NHL.

Only a casual is drawing conclusions from the joke that is NYR PP2

 

[Machinehead]

And yeah, let's pay Zibanejad 8 whatever the f*** million a year to put up 12 points. And then have to pay Laf 10 a year when he doubles his totals.

Amazing cap management. You guys are f***ing geniuses.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Before the Florida series? The powerplay is the reason we don't lose to Carolina in 5.

Nothing Game 3.

Shorthanded goal Game 4.

Shorthanded goal Game 5.

Kreider scores 1 in Game 6 when he went Beast mode.

The cracks were beginning to show that series.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I haven’t seen a single person ever make an argument for why Laf wouldn’t be a good PP player or why the power play couldn’t generate/concert more with him there

It’s not a bad power play, it’s a good one. It’s an elite power play for clapping shit teams over the large regular season sample because you don’t need a fully optimized unit there. 4 of the 5 guys out there are excellent in their roles and Fox/Panarin are all world players. When you play great PKs Mika is the clear weak link because he’s AWFUL in transition (idk why they don’t use trocheck) and sucks when pressured in-zone as well. My argument has never been that this power play is bad, it’s that Lafreniere makes it better and way less prone to slumping when there’s a real team on the other end

I don't think Mika is the problem on that unit, I think what happened was he was such a focal part of the PP for a couple years when he was torching the league and the entire league took notice and put a guy higher up over there to prevent the one timer.

You can see the one timers he does get are from much more severe angles. Teams are taking him away.

The Rangers need to find a way to get him more involved on the wall over there. Overload the right side and maybe move away from the umbrella on every single setup to get more PKers to the right side and open him up a bit.

They also completely stopped doing that Kreider screen shot play which is baffling to me. Mika gets the puck and wrists a queef top left corner while Kreider provides the solar eclipse. No idea why they took that out of the playbook.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

This bit is tired.

They’ve proven to be good players.

Trouba and Zibanejad have proven they are not.

Bull. All I heard was how Mika, Kreider, and Panarin didn't do a damn thing against Florida and they all suck. They were all having good playoffs before the ECF. This also has nothing to do with Trouba. My point is Florida makes good players look pretty pedestrian. Kucherov also had zero goals and Pasternak did absolutely nothing.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I don't think Mika is the problem on that unit, I think what happened was he was such a focal part of the PP for a couple years when he was torching the league and the entire league took notice and put a guy higher up over there to prevent the one timer.

You can see the one timers he does get are from much more severe angles. Teams are taking him away.

The Rangers need to find a way to get him more involved on the wall over there. Overload the right side and maybe move away from the umbrella on every single setup to get more PKers to the right side and open him up a bit.

They also completely stopped doing that Kreider screen shot play which is baffling to me. Mika gets the puck and wrists a queef top left corner while Kreider provides the solar eclipse. No idea why they took that out of the playbook.

Yes there’s nothing wrong with Mika’s one timer, it’s great when they actually get him looks near the top of the circle especially off seam passes. They’re not generating these looks anymore so he’s pointless. And yes you’re totally right about Mika not shooting short side through screens anymore. I think he scored it agaisnt Philly once this year and that was it.

But it’s mainly a product of too much pressure and how Mika can’t handle it. They could probably be better with better coaching as I don’t think they set up 3 on 2s down low well when the two point players get blitzed up high.

 

[Machinehead]

Jacob Trouba f***ed around with the DeLorean, traveled into the future, and read the last two pages of this thread.

That's how he got dumb.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Bull. All I heard was how Mika, Kreider, and Panarin didn't do a damn thing against Florida and they all suck. They were all having good playoffs before the ECF. This also has nothing to do with Trouba. My point is Florida makes good players look pretty pedestrian. Kucherov also had zero goals and Pasternak did absolutely nothing.

They also didn’t do a damn thing against the mighty NJ Devils last year either. So maybe it’s not only Florida.