Around the NHL - Part XLII - (2023-24 Season edition)

[effen]

Capitals, Tom Wilson agree to 7-year extension

Wilson recorded 13 goals and nine assists in 2022-23.

theathletic.com

Wilson re-ups for 7 years, 45.5, 6.5 per, with NTCs

This deal takes him to 36.

Yuck.

Albatross for where they are. An empty stats guy would be a lot more useful.

 

[I Eat Crow]

That Wilson extension is horrible lol

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Apparently, he was playing in some summer league (which I have never heard of) and now needs major ankle surgery. Coincidence? Who knows. If a Ranger player had had this happen, we'd be screaming blue murder.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Apparently, he was playing in some summer league (which I have never heard of) and now needs major ankle surgery. Coincidence? Who knows. If a Ranger player had had this happen, we'd be screaming blue murder.

It's a very popular summer league that has been around for quite a few years now. I think around 50 NHL/AHLers players play in it. Lindgren is the only Ranger playing in it this year, Miller usually plays too but not this summer.

It's a very laid back league, I don't think much hitting, nobody is trying to get hurt or hurt other players in the offseason.

edit - Brodzinski is playing there too.

 

[Rongomania]

Kravtsov wishes he was Ho-Sang.

I only use this on HF. To make like 3 of you laugh.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Apparently, he was playing in some summer league (which I have never heard of) and now needs major ankle surgery. Coincidence? Who knows. If a Ranger player had had this happen, we'd be screaming blue murder.

Da Beauty League is a Minnesota based summer rec league that local players participate in to get ready for the regular season.

We've had a shit load of guys play in it over the years - Skjei, Stepan, McDonagh, Lindgren, Miller (who didn't this year as he was a RFA and didn't want to risk injury before signing.)

Are we sure he hurt himself playing? Players hurt themselves working out off ice too.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Anyway you cut it that really sucks.

Hate seeing any player get injured, even if they play for a hated rival

 

[NYR94]

Dubas hired Dubas as Penguins GM.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Da Beauty League is a Minnesota based summer rec league that local players participate in to get ready for the regular season.

We've had a shit load of guys play in it over the years - Skjei, Stepan, McDonagh, Lindgren, Miller (who didn't this year as he was a RFA and didn't want to risk injury before signing.)

Are we sure he hurt himself playing? Players hurt themselves working out off ice too.

Yes, exactly. I have no idea if he got hurt playing in that summer league (hence why I said who knows if he got hurt there or something happened before or after. If it was before, why was he playing in it?). Anyway, it's very unfortunate for both him and the Penguins; you hate to see guys get hurt.

12 weeks would put his injury reevaluation at around early November; he misses the first month of the regular season at minimum. I'm guessing the Penguins are not happy about this.

 

[Overcast]

Dubas hired Dubas as Penguins GM.

 

[LokiDog]

Troy Terry scored 61 points last season. He's 25. Non physical. Gets 7mil and we are calling it a great deal. Is he great defensively? Take faceoffs? Meanwhile we bitch about Trocheck, age 30 signed as a UFA not RFA, getting 5.625. Scored 65 points, very good defensively, physical, our best face off guy...
Obviously I haven't watched Anaheim enough... what am I missing?

Troy Terry’s 61 points on Anaheim is probably 80+ on most teams. He’s the engine that runs that offense. Zegras hasn’t become that yet. McTavish isn’t there yet. It isn’t Strome or Henrique or Silfverberg. Terry is a pretty high end talent. If Anaheim is on the rise (they should be) having a guy like Terry locked in for 7 years at that rate is going to be a good deal. If Anaheim doesn’t take steps, he may never produce bigger numbers than he has thus far, but he would also still be their best offensive player and 7M wouldn’t be crazy, but as Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, Drysdale, Mintyukov, etc. start to establish themselves I can’t imagine Terry isn’t closer to a point per game guy.

 

[LokiDog]

Troy Terry took his “big step” at age 24. Just sayin’

He was also a 5th round pick, so the trajectory is completely irrelevant

 

[Machinehead]

Troy Terry took his “big step” at age 24. Just sayin’

Yeah but he was a good player before his big step.

I wish it for Kakko. I'll leave it at that.

 

[bhamill]

Troy Terry’s 61 points on Anaheim is probably 80+ on most teams. He’s the engine that runs that offense. Zegras hasn’t become that yet. McTavish isn’t there yet. It isn’t Strome or Henrique or Silfverberg. Terry is a pretty high end talent. If Anaheim is on the rise (they should be) having a guy like Terry locked in for 7 years at that rate is going to be a good deal. If Anaheim doesn’t take steps, he may never produce bigger numbers than he has thus far, but he would also still be their best offensive player and 7M wouldn’t be crazy, but as Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, Drysdale, Mintyukov, etc. start to establish themselves I can’t imagine Terry isn’t closer to a point per game guy.

As I said, he played with Zegras, he’s not without offensive compliment. It’s not like he’s scoring 20 more points than everyone else, in fact he wasn’t their leading scorer, was he? To say he’s an 80 point player on most teams isn’t something Im buying. He would probably not get almost 20 minutes a game on most teams with higher end offensive players either. IMO Zegras is a better offensive player already and is 3 years younger. I’m not looking to run him down, I’m just being realistic. If Chytil was getting the same TOI he’d have 60 points extrapolated. And that’s playing with Laf and Kakko and not getting PP time.
In any case I didn’t say it was a crazy deal, or a bad deal. I just didnt see what the hubbub was about. It’s a good contract. Nothing special.

 

[Machinehead]

Capitals, Tom Wilson agree to 7-year extension

Wilson recorded 13 goals and nine assists in 2022-23.

theathletic.com

Wilson re-ups for 7 years, 45.5, 6.5 per, with NTCs

This deal takes him to 36.

Yuck.

I'm glad he'll still be active at 36 on the off chance plague comes back.

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah but he was a good player before his big step.

I wish it for Kakko. I'll leave it at that.

Kakko is a "good player" too - particularly last season.

I hope so too.

He was also a 5th round pick, so the trajectory is completely irrelevant

It's not about the pick, it's about the "step" happening later.

 

[LokiDog]

As I said, he played with Zegras, he’s not without offensive compliment. It’s not like he’s scoring 20 more points than everyone else, in fact he wasn’t their leading scorer, was he? To say he’s an 80 point player on most teams isn’t something Im buying. He would probably not get almost 20 minutes a game on most teams with higher end offensive players either. IMO Zegras is a better offensive player already and is 3 years younger. I’m not looking to run him down, I’m just being realistic. If Chytil was getting the same TOI he’d have 60 points extrapolated. And that’s playing with Laf and Kakko and not getting PP time.
In any case I didn’t say it was a crazy deal, or a bad deal. I just didnt see what the hubbub was about. It’s a good contract. Nothing special.

No one said he didn’t play with talent, but Anaheim is a young team and their leading scorer had 65 points in 82 games. Terry had 61 in 70. The year before he had 67 in 75. That’s already averaging out to 72 points per 82 games over the past two years.

If you expect Zegras to eventually be a 75+ point player and McTavish to eventually be a 60+ point player and Carlsson to become a top six player, and Drysdale to be a good puck mover and PP QB, it’s really not that far fetched to say he could average 10 more points per 82 games. He’s averaging .88 points per game the last two years. As that team develops another year or two I definitely see Terry being a 75-80 point player if he plays 75+ games.

He also had 49 and 52 EV points the past two years, which combined for 38th in the league. That’s not too shabby.

 

[bhamill]

No one said he didn’t play with talent, but Anaheim is a young team and their leading scorer had 65 points in 82 games. Terry had 61 in 70. The year before he had 67 in 75. That’s already averaging out to 72 points per 82 games over the past two years.

If you expect Zegras to eventually be a 75+ point player and McTavish to eventually be a 60+ point player and Carlsson to become a top six player, and Drysdale to be a good puck mover and PP QB, it’s really not that far fetched to say he could average 10 more points per 82 games. He’s averaging .88 points per game the last two years. As that team develops another year or two I definitely see Terry being a 75-80 point player if he plays 75+ games.

He also had 49 and 52 EV points the past two years, which combined for 38th in the league. That’s not too shabby.

True but I didn’t say anything was shabby. My only contention was that 7x7 isn’t some sort of steal. 20 mins a game, with PP1 time, with a guy like Zegras is not a bad offensive situation. And Flowler isn’t Fox, but he had almost 50 points from the backline too. Would I be surprised if Terry got 75-80 points? No. Would I be surprised if he still doesnt reach 70 this season? Also no.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The Capitals are hoping Wilson is one of those power forwards like Keith Tkachuk/Mike Knuble/Eric Cole who is still useful and doesn't join "The 31 Club" (for those who don't get the joke, it's "The 27 Club" for NHL power forwards). Even so it's a modest raise and in the summer of 2025 they basically will be having a reset.

Them and the Penguins will both be in rebuild mode as soon as next spring and as late as summer 2025.

 

[Leonardo87]

No one said he didn’t play with talent, but Anaheim is a young team and their leading scorer had 65 points in 82 games. Terry had 61 in 70. The year before he had 67 in 75. That’s already averaging out to 72 points per 82 games over the past two years.

If you expect Zegras to eventually be a 75+ point player and McTavish to eventually be a 60+ point player and Carlsson to become a top six player, and Drysdale to be a good puck mover and PP QB, it’s really not that far fetched to say he could average 10 more points per 82 games. He’s averaging .88 points per game the last two years. As that team develops another year or two I definitely see Terry being a 75-80 point player if he plays 75+ games.

He also had 49 and 52 EV points the past two years, which combined for 38th in the league. That’s not too shabby.

I don’t think some people realize how bad Anaheim was last year. It’s not even about the ice time or role. I can see some people say “Oh well if they were on a contending team they would be on like a 3rd line with no PP time” That’s BS. They’d get similar ice time but be on a team with a competent coach and system along with depth. If even McDavid was on that Ducks team last year his production would be impacted significantly.

With that said, Ducks actually have a pretty strong Top 6 going into next season, even with more potential if Carlsson starts in the NHL and has a strong rookie season like Zegras did.

Their D is still a major question mark but the D prospects are very promising just gonna take time. I’m hoping they add at least another #4/#5 shutdown D to play with Drysdale or Fowler. Think they could make some noise next year then. It was reported that the team is looking to add another D. So we shall see.

 

[LokiDog]

I don’t think some people realize how bad Anaheim was last year. It’s not even about the ice time or role. I can see some people say “Oh well if they were on a contending team they would be on like a 3rd line with no PP time” That’s BS. They’d get similar ice time but be on a team with a competent coach and system along with depth. If even McDavid was on that Ducks team last year his production would be impacted significantly.

With that said, Ducks actually have a pretty strong Top 6 going into next season, even with more potential if Carlsson starts in the NHL and has a strong rookie season like Zegras did.

Their D is still a major question mark but the D prospects are very promising just gonna take time. I’m hoping they add at least another #4/#5 shutdown D to play with Drysdale or Fowler. Think they could make some noise next year then. It was reported that the team is looking to add another D. So we shall see.

I’m guessing

Fowler - Gudas
LaCombe - Drysdale
Vaakainen - Helleson

Definitely would not hurt to get a veteran #4 LHD to push LaCombe down to the third pair and insulate Drysdale. Helleson and LaCombe both look promising but a veteran LD for that 2nd pairing would be very helpful.

With Lunderstrom out it’s looking like Carlsson will at least get 9 games to try centering the third line.

Killorn - Zegras - Terry
McTavish - Henrique - Strome
Jones - Carlsson (Lunderstrom) - Vatrano
McGinn - Carrick - Silfverberg

?? Something like that?

If Carlsson holds the three C position Lunderstrom could take over 4C. He hasn’t really ever taken the steps necessary to move up the lineup anyway. That’s not a terrible lineup at all though. Just relying on McTavish, Zegras and Carlsson to play very large roles.

 

[Leonardo87]

I’m guessing

Fowler - Gudas
LaCombe - Drysdale
Vaakainen - Helleson

Definitely would not hurt to get a veteran #4 LHD to push LaCombe down to the third pair and insulate Drysdale. Helleson and LaCombe both look promising but a veteran LD for that 2nd pairing would be very helpful.

With Lunderstrom out it’s looking like Carlsson will at least get 9 games to try centering the third line.

Killorn - Zegras - Terry
McTavish - Henrique - Strome
Jones - Carlsson (Lunderstrom) - Vatrano
McGinn - Carrick - Silfverberg

?? Something like that?

If Carlsson holds the three C position Lunderstrom could take over 4C. He hasn’t really ever taken the steps necessary to move up the lineup anyway. That’s not a terrible lineup at all though. Just relying on McTavish, Zegras and Carlsson to play very large roles.

Think they would run a Fowler - Drysdale pairing before putting Gudas on the Top pairing, think that would be an issue.

I see them running to start the season, with Lundestrom out..

Henrique - Zegras - Terry
Killorn - McTavish - Vatrano
Carlsson - Strome - Silfverberg
McGinn - Bo Groulx - Jones
Carrick

Eventually Carlsson takes the 3C spot, or goes back to the SHL after his 9 game cup of coffee if he is struggling. Then word is down the road Zegras will likely move to wing, giving Carlsson a Top 6 C slot.

D-pairings really have no idea. All I know it feels like..

Fowler - ????
???? - Drysdale
LaCombe - Gudas
Vaak
White

So they really need another #4/#5, but there is word Mintyukov could make the team if he has a strong camp and preseason.

 

[bhamill]

I don’t think some people realize how bad Anaheim was last year. It’s not even about the ice time or role. I can see some people say “Oh well if they were on a contending team they would be on like a 3rd line with no PP time” That’s BS. They’d get similar ice time but be on a team with a competent coach and system along with depth. If even McDavid was on that Ducks team last year his production would be impacted significantly.

With that said, Ducks actually have a pretty strong Top 6 going into next season, even with more potential if Carlsson starts in the NHL and has a strong rookie season like Zegras did.

Their D is still a major question mark but the D prospects are very promising just gonna take time. I’m hoping they add at least another #4/#5 shutdown D to play with Drysdale or Fowler. Think they could make some noise next year then. It was reported that the team is looking to add another D. So we shall see.

Well, I didn’t imply he’d just be third line elsewhere but it depends on the team, of course on a better team they spread the time and responsibility around. He could well be RW1 on our team, and yet still not get PP1 time or 20 min a game. Take him off PP1 and that’s possibly a 49-51 point season last year. On another team with more RW strength he could easily be bumped down a line or two. Again my point was just “It’s a good deal Anaheim got but nothing spectacular.” I’m not trying to say he’s not a very good NHLer.

 

[Leonardo87]

Well, I didn’t imply he’d just be third line elsewhere but it depends on the team, of course on a better team they spread the time and responsibility around. He could well be RW1 on our team, and yet still not get PP1 time or 20 min a game. Take him off PP1 and that’s possibly a 49-51 point season last year. On another team with more RW strength he could easily be bumped down a line or two. Again my point was just “It’s a good deal Anaheim got but nothing spectacular.” I’m not trying to say he’s not a very good NHLer.

I hear ya. After seeing the Tom Wilson contract I feel even better about the Terry one. Lol

 

[bhamill]

I hear ya. After seeing the Tom Wilson contract I feel even better about the Terry one. Lol

Geezus. I haven’t seen the Wilson contract yet. I’ll brace myself! Hahaha.

I hear ya. After seeing the Tom Wilson contract I feel even better about the Terry one. Lol

Wow. 6.5 for Wilson through age 37… yikes. They better hope for a meteoric rise in cap.