The fact that Terry and Zegras produced back to back 60+ point seasons under Eakins and that roster is beyond remarkable.
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The fact that Terry and Zegras produced back to back 60+ point seasons under Eakins and that roster is beyond remarkable.
Oscar Lindberg
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The issue with Trocheck is they signed him when it’s obvious Chytil can be the 2C and now they have a ton of money locked into the center position
It is what it is, but you’re conflating different issues
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Well Zegras is 22. I'm not referencing him.
Terry actually scored less this year and at 25 he's close to a finished product no? I mean if he's a 70 point player, without much besides his offense, that's great but I don't see this as a huge steal of a deal.
I'm not saying it's a bad deal, I'm saying it doesn't look like a steal, and I don't see see him being a world beater. And Trocheck was ALL UFA years... you have to pay for that too.
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I'm not conflating anything. I'm looking at what the two players bring and their contracts. It should be a good deal with a rising cap, I just don't think this is anything special. Terry is 3 years older than Zegras, I don't doubt Zegras ends up the better player either...
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Chytil is 23, had 45 points (in 5 mins less a game than Terry... adjust his mins to Terry's 19+ and the points extrapolate to 60 points as well) playing behind established centers... 3.5 million. If he gets 60 points this year is he a 7mil player? I guess maybe? There's value in locking down the UFA years, but I wouldn't see that as a steal.
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haohmaru
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That he did all of this for Anaheim.
They were so dreadful last year. If you look at what he did vs what the other guys on the team did its almost comical.
Ryan Strome was, at least analytically, like a bottom 5 player in the league last year. I very much doubt that he is that bad and regressed that hard but thats how bad Anaheim was (and yes, he was f***ing putrid even in relation to other players also on the Ducks, but he's always been a complimentary guy. If all you are complimenting is shit, you yourself are also going to be shit.)
He is projected to be a 70-80 point player. If you watched Anaheim they were bad, historically bad. PP was also trash. A half decent team would see Terry hit his potential.
He is also responsible on D, and think he is really going to flourish playing with Carlsson.
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I remember there being two kids in my middle school who looked exactly alike and both of them had their pictures in the same spot but on different pages of the yearbook. If you flipped the pages quickly back and forth, it looked like the same person kept changing their smile.
That is this Kakko avatar thing all over again.
That is this Kakko avatar thing all over again.
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Did all what? He had 61 points in 70 games, was a -8 which on a bad team aint bad, and is a totally non physical winger. I'm not running him down, Hes a very good NHLer. I just don't see him as a 7mil winger so I certainly don't see him as any sort of steal. Its not like he's 22 or 23, he's 25 and his last season was not as impressive as the previous. I think he about is what he is.
Well, if he becomes an 80 point winger, who is responsible defensively, I see him worth the 7mil, but still not a steal. But as I've said: he's 25, and actually had a lesser season than the previous, he likely IS about what he is going to be.
-8 on a team that had a goal differential of -128 is uh... more than not bad. 61 in 70 is easy first line production and he did this on the SECOND worst offense in the league (Behind Chicago, who basically got rid of everyone at the deadline.)
I don't think his play really fell off. His shooting percentage normalized (which was a lock, he wasn't shooting 19% again) and kept basically the same scoring rate on a team that scored even less than they did the year before.
Even outside of the raw numbers, he carries SO much of the load in multiple areas for that team. 7 million isn't really bank breaking money anymore.
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He played with Zegras no? Not like he was in a desert. He got 19+ minutes a game. He got top PP time, 12 PP points. Increase Chytil's ATOI to 19 minutes and extrapolate his points and he's at 60 points. Without significant PP time.
Again, it probably ends up a good contract, but I was just caught off guard by how great people seemed to think it was. Not here to piss on anyone's parade. Yeah, I noticed that about his shooting percentage too. Who knows? 25 is CLOSE to finished, but as I point out about OUR young players, sometimes it takes a bit longer, look at Zibs, didn't REALLY break out till he was 25-26. Maybe it'll be similar for Terry. Like I said, I haven't seen THAT much of Anaheim.
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Possibly. In 2 years Trocheck becomes trade-able. If he's still scoring 50+ I imagine someone would be willing to take him at that point, especially with a higher cap.
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My problem with these types of contracts is theres no surplus value in them. It's not Stutzles or Hughes who can outperform, it's Alex DeBrincat and Josh Norrises of the world who can't.
If you're going to give 7M you can just do it for a shorter term. 7x7 is what he would get as a UFA, you shouldn't be doing that when you have control.
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I’ve long thought that the modern contract trends really seem to reduce the value of drafting well. RFAs are signing deals only a mil or so a year from what they would get on the free market.
I get that the players want to be paid but it spoils some of the benefits of youth development.
I get that the players want to be paid but it spoils some of the benefits of youth development.
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The Penguins could potentially open cap space but will be without Guentzel for a while.
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