Around the NHL: Part XIX
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Blue Blooded
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The Patrick Division had divisional playoffs without wildcards, the 1-8 system came with the divisional realignment for 1993-94 and the new, boring geographical names.
Maximus
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Graves looked great out there. He's definitely improved since he was here from my recollection of Graves. He even scored a goal today. Happy for the kid as he got a real shot to be relevant this year and he's now a key piece on the Avalanche blue line.
Maximus
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Yup...your right and I stand corrected. I'm old enough to remember when they even had that ill fated 1-16 playoff format which produced some very odd playoff matchups back in the day. We are talking early 80's
One year while I as in college, we played the Kings in the playoffs...I'm thinking '81 or '82 and I recall about 20 of us went to Ground Round restaurant(cheap wings and beer..lol) as they were the only restaurant bar that had the game on and an out and out bench clearing brawl broke out. One of the wildest games I've ever seen.
But that's what those 1-16 matchups would give you...some bizarre matchups and they were 2 out of 3 series so each game was like a Game 7...crazy intense.
Ahhh yes...the good ole days!
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Maximus
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And what do ya know...I was right and not all my brain cells are gone as I went to good ole YouTube and voila...I give you the game I just discussed vs the Kings.
Two things to keep in mind while you watch this. The Ranger announcers at the time Jim Gordon and Bill Chadwick are as funny as I have ever remember them.
And notice the organist throughout this video. I think he got his training at Johnstown Jets games while Slapshot was being filmed....lol
Two things to keep in mind while you watch this. The Ranger announcers at the time Jim Gordon and Bill Chadwick are as funny as I have ever remember them.
And notice the organist throughout this video. I think he got his training at Johnstown Jets games while Slapshot was being filmed....lol
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Best of 5, not best of 3. And there’s nothing appealing about bizarre matchups.
I’d like a continuation of the divisional format with two changes. Get rid of the potential for wildcard crossover. Then have a best of 3 playoff round between the 4th and 5th team in each division. The winner of that plays the top team in the division in a best of 5. Meanwhile, the 2nd and 3rd place teams play a best of 7.
As an aside, the division winner would get a cut of the play-in gate, so ownership isn’t losing out on revenue just for finishing first.
Maximus
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Jesus...your right..they were best of 5. Dang maybe I don't have as many braincells as I thought I did as that's now two oopsies when thinking about playoffs formats from the past.
I think I got mixed up with the NBA who ridiculously back in the day had these best of 3 playoff series.
as far as your playoff suggestion not bad at all....I've heard worse. I'm not a fan at all of this new playoff format so I'm not very biased and so most scenarios that are different than the current one sound good to me.
Not sure why in your scenario there is a best of 5 series between the winner of the 4-5 matchup and the division winner ad the 2-3 teams who play best of 7. Kind of doesn't make sense as it could give an advantage to the teams than win quicker and are fresher. If you keep everything best of 7, I'm more inclined to like your idea as it does keep more teams in the playoff mix down the stetch.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I thought about it being best of 5 for the 2/3 matchup too, but was thinking about the playoff revenue problem. Owners aren’t going to want to give up potential revenue. I don’t mind the top team in the division having a competitive advantage. Not unlike getting a bye in other sports.
The scheduling works pretty much no differently than it does now.
Playoffs day 1: wildcard game 1
Playoffs day 2: 2v3 game 1
Playoffs day 3: wildcard game 2
Playoffs day 4: 2v3 game 2
Playoffs day 5: wildcard game 3
Playoffs day 6: 2v3 game 3
Playoffs day 7: 1vWC game 1
Playoffs day 8: 2v3 game 4
Playoffs day 9: 1vWC game 2
Playoffs day 10: 2v3 game 5
Playoffs day 11: 1vWC game 3
Playoffs day 12: 2v3 game 6
Playoffs day 13: 1vWC game 4
Playoffs day 14: 2v3 game 7
Playoffs day 15: 1vWC game 5
Or there’s usually a 3 day break between the end of the regular season on Sunday and the start of the playoffs on Wednesday. If you need to stretch it out a little, you start the wildcard even earlier. That would reduce the amount of time the 1 seed is sitting around. About 2 weeks is what’s blocked off for each round to begin with. This is the same.
It might be too complex, but I like the idea.
East Coast Bias
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I don’t disagree with the concept of being more creative but I think the league would stray away from it bc it’s complex. They’re looking for mass appeal.
Look at the NBA. They floated the idea of 7-10 playins and kind of backed off when it got heat. One of the benefits the NBA has had is that it’s pretty straight forward in playoff brackets. Division winners are top 3, rest are by record. I think they realized that with the feedback on their proposed changes.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
In which case you do a 3 game play in followed by a best of 7 for everyone.
I think people would get used to my idea, but the league might not to wait that long.
East Coast Bias
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I'd like to see it go to an NBA style. Division winners top 2 seeds, then 2-8 as record. Some seasons it wouldn't change things all that much but this year its completely different
Bos-CBJ, TB-FLA, WSH-CAR, PIT-NYI is how it currently is.
Changed to WSH-PHI, BOS-CAR, PIT-CBJ, TB-NYI
FLA gets bumped out entirely and PHI is in. I'm just not a fan of putting so much on the luck of what division you're in.
eco's bones
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If I remember right (and I might not) Graves was disappointed with his progress in the Rangers organization and that was at least in part why. The Rangers were a little bit better team back then and the other thing is he's kind of a late bloomer. For some players it's their second or third team when things click--they need that wake up call. Defenseman tend to take longer than forwards as far as development.
Anyway I always liked him so I'm glad in a way. The other thing though is he plays a lot with the Avalanches top line and I think he pairs with Makar a lot too. That would help those + numbers.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I don’t really like conference playoffs as much as divisional ones. The brackets should be based on the most similar schedules as possible. That’s divisional.
There’s no way to tell if you got more points than someone in another division because you’re really better than them or because the bad teams in your division are worse and you got to beat up on them. Or a different example, right now you have the Pacific, which is all bunched together and none of those teams would be top 3 in the Central. Is that because they’re worse than the Central teams? Or is it just because they’re on more equal footing, whether that means better or worse? It’s impossible to know the answer, so in lieu of that I’d rather keep the playoffs within the divisions.
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If you thought our loss yesterday was bad, spare a thought for the Wild who gave up 2 goals in the last 4 mins, including 1 with 6 seconds left to lose 5-4.....
Maximus
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Your are correctumundo my friend. Graves does play with Makar quite a bit and like you say due to Dmen seemingly developing slower than forwards do, it certainly seems that Graves time has come. He's turned into a hell of an asset for them and he looks like a guy who is going to have a real nice NHL career going forward.
Gordon Bombay
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Wasn't there the idea floating around that Graves wasn't a fit for AV's man on man system? I don't watch the Pack but for some reason that's always been in my head since the trade.
eco's bones
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That might have been it too. I never cared much for AV's defensive schemes and I think the Rangers thought Graves skating needed work. Bigras use to be well regarded too--he'd had some concussion issues that set him back. I think the Rangers thought they were getting the more skilled guy and for Graves to make it he'd be that big, strong stay at home guy and maybe not that good of a fit for what AV was up to.
egelband
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Mac n Gs
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It'd be a bit surprising if neither of those guys ever made it in, no? Walt scored almost 550 goals and Brind'amour had almost 1200 points, a Cup, and two Selkes under his belt.
Edge
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I would think so, though there's a contingent of people who don't put him in because of the lack of hardware or playoff success. My HOF argument has always been that there are certain roles that can be a little harder to judge, and for which you can't always do a glance at HockeyDB.com --- power forwards, stay-at-home defensemen, and even goalies.
Additionally, it will be interesting to see how milestones account for guys who spent a good chunk of their career in the latter half of the 90s. There's this weird cutoff, typically for players born after 1966, where a lot of them didn't play long enough in the 80s or early 90s to get the huge numbers boost that guys just a few years older received.
Gordon Bombay
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Yeah that was always my train of thought with the deal. Good on Graves though to make something out of himself. Not every trade is gonna work out.
Lion Hound
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I think Graves was one of the only players who had the concencus nod of approval of nearly the entire board. Without a lot of prospects competing for the job I though he was a shoe in. They never really gave him a chance. He’s making them pay for it.
Lion Hound
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Johnathan Toews and Duncan Keith had a scrap in practice today. Not sure what it was about about.
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