Around the NHL: Part XIV - Hand Pass Edition

[Inferno]

And you keep contradicting yourself. If the goal was a playoff run and they lose in the first round it’s a fail. The year before they were in the conference finals so it’s a step back, not forward.

Your entire series of posts basically villifies any team that acquires assets at the deadline and doesn't win the cup.

That is not how the real world works.

 

[Messrules11]

Your entire series of posts basically villifies any team that acquires assets at the deadline and doesn't win the cup.

That is not how the real world works.

Actually that is how it works. When teams go ‘ all in’ and fail there’s usually repercussions. Fans are pissed, GM’s fired, scouts take the fall, coaches, there’s a long list. If you screw up at work does your boss just turn a blind eye? I highly doubt it.

 

[romba]

Actually that is how it works. When teams go ‘ all in’ and fail there’s usually repercussions. Fans are pissed, GM’s fired, scouts take the fall, coaches, there’s a long list. If you screw up at work does your boss just turn a blind eye? I highly doubt it.

I'm jumping in here in the middle of the boxing match, but I'd look at past performance before deciding whether to 'let it go' (Frozen) or not. If it's a recurring theme then yea, would have to bring the hammer down. If it's a one off than it's a one off and a slap on the wrist letting them know you know should be enough to prevent a recurrence.

 

[Tawnos]

It’s was a gamble and yes it failed. Pretty easy to see that isn’t it?

If the understanding was that it was a gamble, it's not a failure if it doesn't work out. I mean, if I buy a lotto ticket and don't win, I don't look at it as a failure.

 

[Messrules11]

I'm jumping in here in the middle of the boxing match, but I'd look at past performance before deciding whether to 'let it go' (Frozen) or not. If it's a recurring theme then yea, would have to bring the hammer down. If it's a one off than it's a one off and a slap on the wrist letting them know you know should be enough to prevent a recurrence.

All good. It’s not a one off though, the year prior they did the same thing with Paul Stastny.

 

[Messrules11]

If the understanding was that it was a gamble, it's not a failure if it doesn't work out. I mean, if I buy a lotto ticket and don't win, I don't look at it as a failure.

You should

 

[Inferno]

Actually that is how it works. When teams go ‘ all in’ and fail there’s usually repercussions. Fans are pissed, GM’s fired, scouts take the fall, coaches, there’s a long list. If you screw up at work does your boss just turn a blind eye? I highly doubt it.

There’s a team that wins the cup every year. 1

 

[bernmeister]

Nice, starting the back peddling early. No wonder you think that you are right more than you are wrong.

No back peddling
Just having to make sure you get it right the first time, which you insist on not doing more often than not.

The boards always function better when posters stop with the misquoting/misrepresentations.

 

[NYR94]

Good trade by Philly. Their GM said they need and they'd be aggressive this summer. They have a few weeks to hash things out with Hayes now. Rumors are they're willing to part with Ghostisbehere and/or their 1st this year in trades to get more scoring.

 

[TheTakedown]

Hawks won the cup that year, makes a huge difference

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Not really. The outcome of the post season doesn't determine whether or not the trade was bad at the deadline

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[Inferno]

Good trade by Philly. Their GM said they need and they'd be aggressive this summer. They have a few weeks to hash things out with Hayes now. Rumors are they're willing to part with Ghostisbehere and/or their 1st this year in trades to get more scoring.

Same gm who effed the wild.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Same gm who effed the wild.

Hopefully he can reach out to Gorton in an even further effort to eff the Flyers.

 

[effen]

why is it not draft day yet

 

[Messrules11]

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[Bob Richards]

Not really. The outcome of the post season doesn't determine whether or not the trade was bad at the deadline

I think way too much emphasis is placed on clairvoyant knowledge literally 0 people have when it comes to trade "wins/losses"

Maybe you didn't win the big one. Maybe the guy you acquired didn't even produce all that well either. But if a really good opportunity presents itself then it was probably worth it.

Especially because if you DON'T do that then you face wrath for sitting on your hands.

 

[Edge]

I think way too much emphasis is placed on clairvoyant knowledge literally 0 people have when it comes to trade "wins/losses"

Maybe you didn't win the big one. Maybe the guy you acquired didn't even produce all that well either. But if a really good opportunity presents itself then it was probably worth it.

Especially because if you DON'T do that then you face wrath for sitting on your hands.

I think there’s also a difference between making a bad trade, and making a trade that didn’t produce the ultimate result.

Trading a first round pick for Adam McQuaid would’ve been a bad trade. That’s just poor value and asset management.

Trading a first round pick for Kevin Hayes, but getting bounced in the first round isn’t necessarily poor value, it’s part of the risk of a deadline deal.

One could argue that over the last two TDLs, Zucc produced the best return on investment for his acquiring team. Obviously they didn’t win the cup, but it was a solid value.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Hindsight is 20/20 at the deadline the value was fine.

Saying it’s a bad trade in June is lazy.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Not to be forgotten, Kenny Linseman.

Yes.

He was on the synchronized diving team with Bill Barber.

 

[bobbop]

Not really. The outcome of the post season doesn't determine whether or not the trade was bad at the deadline

Well actually it does. Especially when Vermette scored the winning goal in a Finals game

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Well having a 5th round pick instead of a first while also losing Lemieux and getting knocked out in the first round proves it wasn’t a good trade for them.

I immediately said "thank you morons" when the trade was officially announced on XM radio.

I'm in the we will see camp since the Kravtsov, which is still "we will see" since he hasn't played a game, but looks promising.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

What? The goal is to win the Cup, that’s why the trades are made. Holy crap man.

I'm going to use his line of reasoning on all failures.

 

[Bob Richards]

I think there’s also a difference between making a bad trade, and making a trade that didn’t produce the ultimate result.

Trading a first round pick for Adam McQuaid would’ve been a bad trade. That’s just poor value and asset management.

Trading a first round pick for Kevin Hayes, but getting bounced in the first round isn’t necessarily poor value, it’s part of the risk of a deadline deal.

One could argue that over the last two TDLs, Zucc produced the best return on investment for his acquiring team. Obviously they didn’t win the cup, but it was a solid value.

This the angle I take on the now forming Erik Karlsson to the Sharks debate.

If you can get player XYZ for some really great value or that it really shows the commitment to winning then I think you do it. Cup or bust mentality would end up putting a lot of good trades/good-in-theory trades into the dumpster.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You still are missing the point of why they acquired him in the first place. They traded a 1st and Lemieux to add Kevin Hayes for a play off run. The outcome of that play off run doesn't change if it was a good trade or not.

It was a panic trade that failed. Aside from being the average height of that team, Hayes' style of play was a horrible fit for that team.

 

[Edge]

This the angle I take on the now forming Erik Karlsson to the Sharks debate.

If you can get player XYZ for some really great value or that it really shows the commitment to winning then I think you do it. Cup or bust mentality would end up putting a lot of good trades/good-in-theory trades into the dumpster.

Everyone is always looking for that one advantage to put them over the top. While we like to imagine a TDL posting a point per game and willing his new team to a championship, in many cases it’s a key goal, a key hit, shutting someone down, etc.

 

[aufheben]

If that 5th round pick turns into a superstar, does the initial trade all of the sudden become good for Winnipeg?