Around the NHL - Offseason Edition

[Tob]

Dorion overplayed his hand and acted a fool. Dead line deals and offerings must have been better than this.

 

[Edge]

This is why we had to do the mcd trade when we did. What we got was leaps and bounds compared to this.

Despite the initial reaction, I have yet to see anything that has changed my mind that the Rangers didn't get pretty darn close to max value in that deal.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This can't be understated.

True, but Karlsson is a top-3 defenseman in the league. McDonagh is not even close to that.

 

[NYR Viper]

Why is Josh Norris considered a marginal prospect?

 

[haohmaru]

Despite the initial reaction, I have yet to see anything that has changed my mind that the Rangers did get pretty darn close to max value in that deal.

Especially considering how he's played over the past year and a half. Anyone who was watching knows he's not a 1/2 anymore.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Ek65 is for 1 run right now. Mcd is for 2.

And EK65 >>> McD.

Would Derek Stepan for 2 runs be worth more than Crosby for 1 run? Because that's what we're talking about here.

Player around 25-30 at his position vs player #1 at his position.

 

[BBKers]

Sorry that I missed this. Know it was very close though

 

[Tawnos]

True, but Karlsson is a top-3 defenseman in the league. McDonagh is not even close to that.

Is he? He wasn't last year. I think the Karlsson package was a better package, anyway.

 

[Edge]

I remeber people made fun of Sakic for waiting so long to deal Duchene. Not anymore

Truth be told, I'm still not sure the market was that great.

But clearly Dorian grew jealous of all the attention Peter Chiarelli was getting.

 

[Edge]

Is he? He wasn't last year. I think the Karlsson package was a better package, anyway.

You'd take that EK package from San Jose over what the Rangers got?

 

[Tob]

lmfao at NYR twitter tweeting out Quinn quotes and philosophy during the 15 minutes Karlsson tweet storm.

 

[haohmaru]

Is he? He wasn't last year. I think the Karlsson package was a better package, anyway.

McD trade was better, IMHO. Especially if TB gets the Cup

 

[Edge]

Especially considering how he's played over the past year and a half. Anyone who was watching knows he's not a 1/2 anymore.

And that's the hard part. People are remembering the 2014 version of Ryan McD and he's steadily resembled that player less and less over the last 4 years.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Also shows you the domino effect of things potentially falling into place for Colorado.

And all this for a player who has not yet conclusively shown he's more than a 60 point player.

Aren’t you the one that always says there’s a big discrepancy between the player Duchene is and what we expect him to be?

I’m guessing he can’t wait to get out of Ottawa this year. Maybe he plays his ass off and tries to get traded?

 

[NYR Viper]

You'd take that EK package from San Jose over what the Rangers got?

To be fair, the Ranger also traded Miller along with McDonagh

 

[LORDE]

True, but Karlsson is a top-3 defenseman in the league. McDonagh is not even close to that.

Makes the return for McD even more impressive

 

[Doctyl]

Would you rather have

Best defenseman in the league

Or

Bottom 6 forward
Middle pairing dman
Center prospect
.7 PPG AHL forward
1st round pick
2nd round pick

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

To be fair, the Ranger also traded Miller along with McDonagh

Just take Namestnikov out of the equation since people have been labeling that as a 1-for-1 trade anyway

 

[Edge]

To be fair, the Ranger also traded Miller along with McDonagh

Even still, I highly doubt I'd trade Howden, Hajek, Lundkvist, Namestnikov, and a 2nd (potentially a first) for what Ottawa received. And that's taking into consideration that our return was acquired for a lesser player to begin with.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Is he? He wasn't last year. I think the Karlsson package was a better package, anyway.

I would argue that Howden and Hajek are the best prospects to be moved in either of the deals.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would you rather have

Best defenseman in the league

Or

Bottom 6 forward - 3rd line center who scored 40 points last year
Middle pairing dman
Center prospect - last years 1st rounder, also very good friends with Brady Tkachuk
.7 PPG AHL forward - In his rookie season in the AHL (which is pretty good)
1st round pick
2nd round pick

This isn't a good representation for where things are. Karlsson was NEVER re-signing in Ottawa.

I also added some notes to the above.

Once the story came out with what happened, the Senators had to trade Karlsson. Would they get more now, or at the deadline? I have a hard time seeing them get more at the deadline than what they got here.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Even still, I highly doubt I'd trade Howden, Hajek, Lundkvist, Namestnikov, and a 2nd (potentially a first) for what Ottawa received. And that's taking into consideration that our return was acquired for a lesser player to begin with.

I would argue that Howden and Hajek are the best prospects to be moved in either of the deals.

Agreed. And I'd say Lundkvist is the 3rd best prospect in either trade.

 

[Tawnos]

I would argue that Howden and Hajek are the best prospects to be moved in either of the deals.

Prospects don't have more value, at least in a vacuum, than established NHL players.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Prospects don't have more value, at least in a vacuum, than established NHL players.

That depends on the prospects and the NHL players.

 

[Edge]

Aren’t you the one that always says there’s a big discrepancy between the player Duchene is and what we expect him to be?

I’m guessing he can’t wait to get out of Ottawa this year. Maybe he plays his ass off and tries to get traded?

Yeah, there's a disconnect there.

The pedigree and some of the early returns have people expecting 35 goals and 70-80 points from Duchene.

But somewhere along the way, it never quite all came together. Over the last four years, Duchene's more closely resembled a 25 goal, 60 point player.

Which isn't bad by any stretch, but you wouldn't want to pay an 80 point price for a 60 point player. And that was my concern leading up to the trade, because I knew the price point was set closer to the 80 point expectation.