Around the NHL - Offseason Edition

[Edge]

Timing is also an amazing thing. I have no doubt if Dorion traded EK before the deadline he would have received more and definitely more quality

Viper and I have been discussing that aspect, and I tend to agree with this.

I still think a lot of values peaked back in February --- be it for EK, or McD, or Nash, or Grabner.

I also think that's at least a partial reason why certain players are still on the roster. Some of the potential deals that were on the table at the deadline simply weren't there this summer.

 

[bl02]

if EK is completely healthy I can't imagine the Sharks wouldn't be the favorites now coming out of the West.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I think a lot depends on at what point your team is in. For the Rangers, they may value a prospect over a NHLer. I would think Ottawa would too (but who the hell knows what they are thinking). In saying that, because of the percentages and the possibility a player could totally bust or fall short of expectations would lead to a lower value than a player who is already playing in the NHL.

Yeah I can agree with that it depends on where the team is at. But there are still times when trading an average or even a pretty player for a top prospect is the right move to do even as a team is contending. Such as Drouin for Sergachev which looks like it can be a potential steal for Tampa

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Viper and I have been discussing that aspect, and I tend to agree with this.

I still think a lot of values peaked back in February --- be it for EK, or McD, or Nash, or Grabner.

I also think that's at least a partial reason why certain players are still on the roster. Some of the potential deals that were on the table at the deadline simply weren't there this summer.

Agreed. Zuccarello and Hayes will be valuable at the deadline. I expect a 1st rounder at least for either player. They are the ideal candidates for contenders to add that extra scoring ability at the deadline. The Rangers can retain 50% to make them fit under the cap, the way we did with Nash.

 

[Edge]

Trades are like extensions. Always pay for what you get, not for what you have. So many times do we see teams pay for past performances and not for what players might do in the future. Trades are as much a gamble at times as the draft because of this way of thinking.

I have to tell you that was part of my concern with trading for EK.

I have no quarrel with saying he's been an amazing talent in his career.

Where I have at least some concern is with the player he is moving forward. His next contract will pay him for what he did in Ottawa, but what will he actually be with the team who is paying?

It's a big reason why I really wanted to see how he performed this season and potentially make any approach to him when he's a free agent, rather than trade for him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

if EK is completely healthy I can't imagine the Sharks wouldn't be the favorites now coming out of the West.

They are sure giving Nashville a tough match up. I think Nashville and San Jose are the teams to beat in the West now, with Tampa, Washington, Boston and Pittsburgh the contenders in the East.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I have to tell you that was part of my concern with trading for EK.

I have no quarrel with saying he's been an amazing talent in his career.

Where I have at least some concern is with the player he is moving forward. His next contract will pay him for what he did in Ottawa, but what will he actually be with the team who is paying?

It's a big reason why I really wanted to see how he performed this season and potentially make any approach to him when he's a free agent, rather than trade for him.

As Rangers fans, we should be familiar with this. Drury, Staal, Richards, Girardi to name a few, were paid for their past performances, and not so much for what they might bring in the future. We will have to see how Karlsson will do. The same goes for McDonagh. A lot of miles on those 2 bodies make it a big risk to give a 7-year extension at 10% of the cap.

 

[bl02]

They are sure giving Nashville a tough match up. I think Nashville and San Jose are the teams to beat in the West now, with Tampa, Washington, Boston and Pittsburgh the contenders in the East.

I agree Nashville and Winnipeg should get some respect but with either Burns and EK being on the ice most of the game you're talking some serious offensive weapons on the blue line.

 

[Nickmo82]

You just know that if the Rangers were in a position to trade for Karlsson AND had made the trade then there'd be much bigger assets going the other way (Like two 1sts, Chytil, Shestorkin and a 2nd or something) PLUS we'd take Ryan back too. Other teams always seem to make trades where they give away much less than the Rangers do.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You just know that if the Rangers were in a position to trade for Karlsson AND had made the trade then there'd be much bigger assets going the other way (Like two 1sts, Chytil, Shestorkin and a 2nd or something) PLUS we'd take Ryan back too. Other teams always seem to make trades where they give away much less than the Rangers do.

This is just baseless speculation

 

[bl02]

The Avs struck more gold today. EK traded and Pageau just injured his achilles out for most of season. The Sens look well on their way to getting the best odds for top pick.

 

[Machinehead]

You just know that if the Rangers were in a position to trade for Karlsson AND had made the trade then there'd be much bigger assets going the other way (Like two 1sts, Chytil, Shestorkin and a 2nd or something) PLUS we'd take Ryan back too. Other teams always seem to make trades where they give away much less than the Rangers do.

When's the last time the Rangers gave up a huge haul in a trade?

I mean, I'm more critical of the Rangers than anyone, but this doesn't seem right.

 

[Nickmo82]

When's the last time the Rangers gave up a huge haul in a trade?

I mean, I'm more critical of the Rangers than anyone, but this doesn't seem right.

I guess the St Louis trade sticks in my mind. 2 1sts + the current Captain (no matter his flaws, he was a key part of the team at the time) for a guy who pretty much demanded a trade at the twilight of his career.

 

[Machinehead]

I guess the St Louis trade sticks in my mind. 2 1sts + the current Captain (no matter his flaws, he was a key part of the team at the time) for a guy who pretty much demanded a trade at the twilight of his career.

The trade that propelled us to the SCF and got us out of one of the league's worst contracts?

 

[Doctyl]

When's the last time the Rangers gave up a huge haul in a trade?

I mean, I'm more critical of the Rangers than anyone, but this doesn't seem right.

Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon, Rychel for Nash who was signed long term?

Callahan, 2 1sts for St. Louis?

Moore, Duclair, 1st, and 2nd for Yandle?

None of these are even close to that proposed package

 

[Machinehead]

Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon, Rychel for Nash who was signed long term?

Callahan, 2 1sts for St. Louis?

Moore, Duclair, 1st, and 2nd for Yandle?

None of these are even close to that proposed package

We also got Jagr for lizard turds.

 

[Irishguy42]

Lol Sens

 

[LORDE]

This is just baseless speculation

Plus they weren't trading him in the east... at least it seems that was a big factor.

The Leafs and Tampa could've easily (and would've... I would think) given more. That didn't happen.

IF I'm GM of Ottawa I take BEST DEAL no matter who it comes from, knowing I'm not competing soon, but since I am not they did what they did.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Dorion waited because he got schooled by Sakic. He thought someone would step up like he did, but he's a sucker.

Some top notch hubris in Ottawa. They knew about the Hoffman ek clash and waited on both players while the ship was sinking. They didn't think it would get out. Thought he would build a market for Karlsson. What were they thinking at the draft? Tkachuk better be more like Keith, because being Matthew might not be enough.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't think the return is awful for the Sens. It's quantity over quality, but it's for an unsigned Karlsson and that's a huge part of things. They made their bed by playing it poorly over the last several months. The real issue is the 2019 1st having gone to Colorado.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

if EK is completely healthy I can't imagine the Sharks wouldn't be the favorites now coming out of the West.

Still Nashville/Winnipeg for me.

 

[Tob]

This just smells like Melnyk wanting Karlsson as far away from the division as possible plus geographically as far away as possible so they took the SJS deal. All the talk has been DAL, VGK, and SJS in the final stretch run. TBL were circling but the Sens likely asked more from TBL than Western teams similar to the Hoffman SJS/FLA situation. A Eastern conference team could have and would have offered 50% more value than what their garage sale got.

Melnyk and Dorion are too stupid to see that the Senators are literally at least all of Karlsson's prime away or 5-8 years from building a contender given where they're at today. Trading to the Leafs or the Panthers or the Canadiens or the Lightning would actually help their rebuild by taking future assets from divisional rivals and bloating them up for cup runs in the next few years. That or management is so petty they refuse to do business with divisional rivals just because.

Brady Tkachuk has the weight of the entire Senators organization on his shoulders without their 1st round pick plus Dorion and Melnyk whispering in his ears.

 

[Levitate]

Sens management is the worst in the league which is partly amazing since Montreal and Florida exist

 

[egelband]

Dorion overplayed his hand and acted a fool. Dead line deals and offerings must have been better than this.

I was thinking that too. Two playoff runs had to be higher valued than one. I wonder if the Sharks made a bid then. I guess we’ll never know.
But the Sens seem to have done ok, no?

 

[egelband]

The Avs struck more gold today. EK traded and Pageau just injured his achilles out for most of season. The Sens look well on their way to getting the best odds for top pick.

I didn’t know Pageau got hurt. Might be a good time to try to get him. He’s a player I’ve wanted the Rangers to get. For whatever reason he seems to play his best against the Rangers so I may be overrating him. But whatever. I’d love Gorton to get him.