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So the 1st round pick the Sens got is either a 2019 or 2020 pick. Sens can choose but if the Sharks somehow do not make the playoffs this year the pick is a 2019 pick.
 
Tob said:
This just smells like Melnyk wanting Karlsson as far away from the division as possible plus geographically as far away as possible so they took the SJS deal. All the talk has been DAL, VGK, and SJS in the final stretch run. TBL were circling but the Sens likely asked more from TBL than Western teams similar to the Hoffman SJS/FLA situation. A Eastern conference team could have and would have offered 50% more value than what their garage sale got.

Melnyk and Dorion are too stupid to see that the Senators are literally at least all of Karlsson's prime away or 5-8 years from building a contender given where they're at today. Trading to the Leafs or the Panthers or the Canadiens or the Lightning would actually help their rebuild by taking future assets from divisional rivals and bloating them up for cup runs in the next few years. That or management is so petty they refuse to do business with divisional rivals just because.

Brady Tkachuk has the weight of the entire Senators organization on his shoulders without their 1st round pick plus Dorion and Melnyk whispering in his ears.
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I love Matthew Tkachuk and liked Brady, but you don’t take either with a top pick in the draft. And right now, Ottawa is definitely looking at the top pick being in play and a distinct possibility.

I feel bad for the fans. It’s going to be a long year and they won’t even have the joy of a high pick at the end of it all.
 
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It's really something how highly valued blue chip prospects have become. Big name top pairing defensemen moving around in the prime of their careers and no team is willing to give up their first 3-5 prospects on the ranking list.
 
Chris Drurys Weekend said:
It's really something how highly valued blue chip prospects have become. Big name top pairing defensemen moving around in the prime of their careers and no team is willing to give up their first 3-5 prospects on the ranking list.
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Salary cap. Guys playing on elcs who are productive are worth their weight in gold
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Living in SJ, I can tell you they just stole Karlsson for some gum and rubber bands

Just a brutal trade for Ottawa
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I live in San Jose as well and I have to agree. I never post, but this was a big deal and to a team I know. The Sharks just committed a crime. I agree with you completely.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Living in SJ, I can tell you they just stole Karlsson for some gum and rubber bands

Just a brutal trade for Ottawa
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DeMelo was an RFA this offseason and the Sharks just didn't bother qualifying him. He sat for a minute as a UFA before they signed him back for colonial shillings and now he's an asset in the Erik Karlsson trade.

mfw
 
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West Coast Eagles said:
As a sens fan moving to the city at the end of October I think I might come here more (until Melnyk is gone). Hope you'll have me.
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Poor guy, but at certain points this upcoming season, you’ll feel like you’re right back in Ottawa. Things have the potential to become seriously bleak.

Welcome to the s***show!

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*the other
 
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egelband said:
I didn’t know Pageau got hurt. Might be a good time to try to get him. He’s a player I’ve wanted the Rangers to get. For whatever reason he seems to play his best against the Rangers so I may be overrating him. But whatever. I’d love Gorton to get him.
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He’s a 30 point center. Just because he John Druce’d us 2 years ago doesn’t mean he’s a good player that we should give up any asset for.
 
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Chris Drurys Weekend said:
It's really something how highly valued blue chip prospects have become. Big name top pairing defensemen moving around in the prime of their careers and no team is willing to give up their first 3-5 prospects on the ranking list.
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The expiring contract is also a factor. Most teams are simply not willing to gamble half a decade of young talent for what could be one year of a veteran — regardless of his talent level.

Teams also have to find a way to work in the existing contract. Those cheaper contracts are worth the players weight in gold.

In EK’s case, I do wonder if a lot of teams also want to see how he does this year. Is he the player he was a few years ago, is he a half step behind, or is he beginning what could be a somewhat steady slide.
 
Edge said:
The expiring contract is also a factor. Most teams are simply not willing to gamble half a decade of young talent for what could be one year of a veteran — regardless of his talent level.

Teams also have to find a way to work in the existing contract. Those cheaper contracts are worth the players weight in gold.

In EK’s case, I do wonder if a lot of teams also want to see how he does this year. Is he the player he was a few years ago, is he a half step behind, or is he beginning what could be a somewhat steady slide.
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I think the way Ottawa handled him last year is another bullet they put in their own foot, he has a big off season procedure and they rush him back to playing 25+ a night without letting him get any extended training in
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
I think the way Ottawa handled him last year is another bullet they put in their own foot, he has a big off season procedure and they rush him back to playing 25+ a night without letting him get any extended training in
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In hindsight, sure but that team needs to make playoffs as many years as they can. They are a small market team with limited attendance. So in a vacuum and using hindsight you are probably right but the feeling was probably 'we need to get him back to get the best shot at making the playoffs and making $$'
 
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NYR Viper said:
In hindsight, sure but that team needs to make playoffs as many years as they can. They are a small market team with limited attendance. So in a vacuum and using hindsight you are probably right but the feeling was probably 'we need to get him back to get the best shot at making the playoffs and making $$'
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I guess, but if I’m remembering right, they’re weren’t doing all that bad before Karlsson came back, and the wheels didn’t fall off until after their Sweden trip/trading for Duchene
 
What a bunch of f***ing dummies running the show in Ottawa man.

You have the opportunity to build around a Hughes, or someone like him, and instead you chose to build around Brady Tkachuk

If Colorado wins Hughes, Ottawa may as well fold as a franchise
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
What a bunch of ****ing dummies running the show in Ottawa man.

You have the opportunity to build around a Hughes, or someone like him, and instead you chose to build around Brady Tkachuk

If Colorado wins Hughes, Ottawa may as well fold as a franchise
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Even going as far to trade a generational defenseman for Tkachuk’s best friend (Norris)
 
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Actually don't think Ottawa is in that bad of shape. Obviously this off-season and this season are truly an epic disaster. Not giving up their 18 pick to protect their 19 pick when they knew Karlsson was on the way out is one of the more baffling decisions I've seen an organization make.

However... if you look at their cap sheet, it's very, very clean. They only have three players under contract right now passed the 2019-2020 season. They need to make one more bad move, attaching assets to Bobby to get him off the team. But after that, if they get acceptable returns for Stone and Duchene, they can get themselves back into the first round, and stockpile future assets.

The cap sheet cleanliness means that this can be a completely different looking franchise in a year or two, and if they do it the right way, one that at least has a blueprint of where they want to be.

Of course step 1 would be putting Dorion on this SpaceX rocket, and letting someone who didn't cause this tragedy in the first place re-right the ship.
 
silverfish said:
Actually don't think Ottawa is in that bad of shape. Obviously this off-season and this season are truly an epic disaster. Not giving up their 18 pick to protect their 19 pick when they knew Karlsson was on the way out is one of the more baffling decisions I've seen an organization make.

However... if you look at their cap sheet, it's very, very clean. They only have three players under contract right now passed the 2019-2020 season. They need to make one more bad move, attaching assets to Bobby to get him off the team. But after that, if they get acceptable returns for Stone and Duchene, they can get themselves back into the first round, and stockpile future assets.

The cap sheet cleanliness means that this can be a completely different looking franchise in a year or two, and if they do it the right way, one that at least has a blueprint of where they want to be.

Of course step 1 would be putting Dorion on this SpaceX rocket, and letting someone who didn't cause this tragedy in the first place re-right the ship.
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To be somewhat fair to Dorian, Melnyk is the one who sent the franchise down the wrong track while tying Dorians hands behind his back and gluing him to the driver seat
 
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